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ulm, you must not leave things there.
I guess we will now get to see the true anabridged version of the birth of AOPA Australia ? Should be interesting.
At least give us a hint, not the old spaceman story again is it ?
I guess we will now get to see the true anabridged version of the birth of AOPA Australia ? Should be interesting.
At least give us a hint, not the old spaceman story again is it ?
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Perhaps he needs some more lead in his sled...
Next he will trot out the stuff like the Mobil Crisis caused AOPA to
go broke (it was already broke before that) or that AOPA won the legal action against AOPA USA that still cost AOPA $250,000.
I hear he is now telling all who will listen that AOPA's cash position is actually terrific and improving by the minute. Good news indeed except he seems to have forgotten about the Liabilities side of the Balance Sheet. Sounds an awful lot like HIH to me.
Russell
Next he will trot out the stuff like the Mobil Crisis caused AOPA to
go broke (it was already broke before that) or that AOPA won the legal action against AOPA USA that still cost AOPA $250,000.
I hear he is now telling all who will listen that AOPA's cash position is actually terrific and improving by the minute. Good news indeed except he seems to have forgotten about the Liabilities side of the Balance Sheet. Sounds an awful lot like HIH to me.
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The spaceman story had more credibility, but we seem to be orienting in time and space anyway. It's a bit rich to call someones statement a bit ficticious to say the least, but at least give your alternative version.
I honestly don't know, but would ask either yourself or leadsled to fill me in on the following.
1) Who was member number 1?
2) Who were the first committee / board ?
3) When did all this take place and where ?
4) Was AOPA an offshoot of AOPA US or an Australian entity ?
5) Has the membership profile (logarithmically speaking) been static, decreasing or increasing in relation to the aviation industry ?
6) What was the original charter or the purpose of AOPA ?
7) As a kid, I remember Fred Hoinville and I believe he was there somewhere, his wife wrote an article of recent in the magazine so she must still be alive. Perhaps she can fill in some gaps ?
8) If in fact it was set up as a protective umbrella against the old DCA, how many name changes has that organisation had to date, and how does this relate to the the credibility factor with AOPA (or have they had name changes also) ?
9) how much would it cost to have another election to get a board that is happy with itself and one that the members would be happy with and do we (the members) have to put up with "fifth columnists" in the interim ?
Finally, this is not a "Dorathy Dixer", but you can at least answer or let leadsled have his day.
Bloody factions.
I honestly don't know, but would ask either yourself or leadsled to fill me in on the following.
1) Who was member number 1?
2) Who were the first committee / board ?
3) When did all this take place and where ?
4) Was AOPA an offshoot of AOPA US or an Australian entity ?
5) Has the membership profile (logarithmically speaking) been static, decreasing or increasing in relation to the aviation industry ?
6) What was the original charter or the purpose of AOPA ?
7) As a kid, I remember Fred Hoinville and I believe he was there somewhere, his wife wrote an article of recent in the magazine so she must still be alive. Perhaps she can fill in some gaps ?
8) If in fact it was set up as a protective umbrella against the old DCA, how many name changes has that organisation had to date, and how does this relate to the the credibility factor with AOPA (or have they had name changes also) ?
9) how much would it cost to have another election to get a board that is happy with itself and one that the members would be happy with and do we (the members) have to put up with "fifth columnists" in the interim ?
Finally, this is not a "Dorathy Dixer", but you can at least answer or let leadsled have his day.
Bloody factions.
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I remember the waffle about AOPA US at Narromine as well.
I remember you hung your head as did a couple of other Committee members.
That story wasn't the same as another I had heard, what's your recollection, was the 'Narromine' version true or not????
I remember you hung your head as did a couple of other Committee members.
That story wasn't the same as another I had heard, what's your recollection, was the 'Narromine' version true or not????
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You appear to have me mixed up with my drunken physics teacher brother, axion.
He should hang his head in shame for all the red he was drinking that night. made a complete "prat" of himself. I on the other hand was sober and of sound mind but don't recollect the "waffle" you are going on about.
Unless of course you are referring to the minuted reference to AOPA US regarding liability or something.
Wasn't that interesting really and I nodded back off to sleep while eagerly awaiting the arrival of The Director of Aviation Safety who's subsequent no show was the cause of axion's social excitement.
If you are Mrs ulm, I was seated some way to your left rear and if you are Mr ulm, you would have seen me to your front right about mid depth.
Sorry, you appear to have me mixed up with someone else.
Be this as it always is, why don't you answer the aforementioned questions, it appears leadsled is still at work otherwise he would have responded by now.
You have the stage !
He should hang his head in shame for all the red he was drinking that night. made a complete "prat" of himself. I on the other hand was sober and of sound mind but don't recollect the "waffle" you are going on about.
Unless of course you are referring to the minuted reference to AOPA US regarding liability or something.
Wasn't that interesting really and I nodded back off to sleep while eagerly awaiting the arrival of The Director of Aviation Safety who's subsequent no show was the cause of axion's social excitement.
If you are Mrs ulm, I was seated some way to your left rear and if you are Mr ulm, you would have seen me to your front right about mid depth.
Sorry, you appear to have me mixed up with someone else.
Be this as it always is, why don't you answer the aforementioned questions, it appears leadsled is still at work otherwise he would have responded by now.
You have the stage !
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Axiom raises some interesting issues.
About time someone wrote a history of AOPA. I confess to being
singularly ignorant as to what happened in the early years.
Post 1997 there has been a 10% annual decline in AOPA membership. I guess that the AirServices movements is a reasonable barometer of GA health and this has been
relatively flat for some years. My view is that AOPA has suffered a decline well beyond what is going on in the industry but the reasons are more complex and subject to debate.
Following the NRMA member revolt, AOPA members may become
more demanding of their elected committee, particularly with prudential governance.
Other than replacing the whole board, how can members possibly know who are the good guys? At the moment though I am optimistic that common sense will prevail and
the whacko element on the board will be kept under control.
Russell
About time someone wrote a history of AOPA. I confess to being
singularly ignorant as to what happened in the early years.
Post 1997 there has been a 10% annual decline in AOPA membership. I guess that the AirServices movements is a reasonable barometer of GA health and this has been
relatively flat for some years. My view is that AOPA has suffered a decline well beyond what is going on in the industry but the reasons are more complex and subject to debate.
Following the NRMA member revolt, AOPA members may become
more demanding of their elected committee, particularly with prudential governance.
Other than replacing the whole board, how can members possibly know who are the good guys? At the moment though I am optimistic that common sense will prevail and
the whacko element on the board will be kept under control.
Russell
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If we seem to aggree on a couple of facts, i.e. AOPA represents the so called "Lower end" of the aviation industry, and that we need to work together. SHUT UP AND DO IT. THERE APPEAR TO BE SEVERAL MEMBERS/EX-MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WHO NEED A LESSON IN TEAMWORK. Without GA there will be no aviation industry FULL STOP. AOPA is the only organisation which can and does represent GA. GET ON WITH THE JOB. APOA MEMBER number i can remember.
Is AOPA Really Losing Ground?
It may be that the decline in AOPA memberships only reflects a decline in 'active' people within G.A. We have the same situation in agriculture - there are less farmers every year, and agro-political organisations are finding it tough to hold their numbers up.
There is a static or declining aircraft owner base in Australia, and this is where AOPA seems to have lost it's support. I think it has to do with the original base of older members retiring from aircraft ownership, and the younger owners being unconvinced as to AOPA's worth. The same can be said about younger farmers and their organisations.
As an owner I do see the value of AOPA, and 2003 is my 40th year of continuous membership. As a previous post said - you have to be in it to use your vote. Voting with one's feet isn't the way.
It's not easy to vote for Board members when their 'positions' are ill defined in pre-election advertising. But, why be influenced by whether someone is PPL, ATPL, 747 rated, or owns an airline? Running the AOPA 'business', and lobbying our cause, may be equally, if not better supported by people who are experienced in other professional fields. Being in the forest may adversely affect the appreciation of the trees.
I also think that we lost something in AOPA when it was decided not to have state or regional representation, because it was more likely that members and non-members actually 'knew' the AOPA rep.
I don't see AOPA's online forums ever going anywhere while they are so closely controlled. Why not have an AOPA/country section on pprune - it would have to be good for exposure to a whole lot more prospective members than at present? And better run to boot.
cheers,
It may be that the decline in AOPA memberships only reflects a decline in 'active' people within G.A. We have the same situation in agriculture - there are less farmers every year, and agro-political organisations are finding it tough to hold their numbers up.
There is a static or declining aircraft owner base in Australia, and this is where AOPA seems to have lost it's support. I think it has to do with the original base of older members retiring from aircraft ownership, and the younger owners being unconvinced as to AOPA's worth. The same can be said about younger farmers and their organisations.
As an owner I do see the value of AOPA, and 2003 is my 40th year of continuous membership. As a previous post said - you have to be in it to use your vote. Voting with one's feet isn't the way.
It's not easy to vote for Board members when their 'positions' are ill defined in pre-election advertising. But, why be influenced by whether someone is PPL, ATPL, 747 rated, or owns an airline? Running the AOPA 'business', and lobbying our cause, may be equally, if not better supported by people who are experienced in other professional fields. Being in the forest may adversely affect the appreciation of the trees.
I also think that we lost something in AOPA when it was decided not to have state or regional representation, because it was more likely that members and non-members actually 'knew' the AOPA rep.
I don't see AOPA's online forums ever going anywhere while they are so closely controlled. Why not have an AOPA/country section on pprune - it would have to be good for exposure to a whole lot more prospective members than at present? And better run to boot.
cheers,
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Well in my view the version of events fed to us at Narromine about the AOPA US issue was misleading.
Yes axiom, bl@@dy factions, and we know which one you are in.
The one that TRIED to give us a Part 47 where we were supposed to hand over control of our C of R to a LAME. Good thing members (and many thanks to the WA people who helped), on their own, with help from BM, (and while under verbal abuse from certain ego driven AOPA Directors) had it dissallowed.
The one that gave us Location Specific Charging. Got a 'fair' deal for about 25% of owners, then dropped the ball and shafted everyone else, paticularly those operating under 'GAAP'.
The one that changes history, including reporting of member numbers, to suit whatever purpose that 'faction' may have at the time.
The one that allowed a certain person with a Welsh name a whole page in the magazine to attack a simple letter to the editor.
The faction that drove a really good Exec manager to leave (or was he sacked???) for not agreeing with certain voting and accounting procedures.
The one that told someone complaining about increasing costs at privatised airports 'he has to get a return for his investment' (despite Anderson's CPI-1% promise).
The one that tried to bring us compulsory CPI (and thus increased operating costs) by representing the issue in the Senate, even if it wasn't on the agenda!!!!
Apart from that, this 'mob' has achieved SFA for GA; but CASA are happy, years of shoddy management and ego airing have so preoccupied AOPA that CASA has gone from strength to strength.
But the thing that p!sses me off most about this ageing 'faction' is the way it just goes its own way without ever once trying to find out what the members want.
I wonder if another applicant for the Gemmell job had been sucessful whether it would all be different now
Yeah axiom me old mate, you can keep your bellicose little faction all to yourself!!!!
Yes axiom, bl@@dy factions, and we know which one you are in.
The one that TRIED to give us a Part 47 where we were supposed to hand over control of our C of R to a LAME. Good thing members (and many thanks to the WA people who helped), on their own, with help from BM, (and while under verbal abuse from certain ego driven AOPA Directors) had it dissallowed.
The one that gave us Location Specific Charging. Got a 'fair' deal for about 25% of owners, then dropped the ball and shafted everyone else, paticularly those operating under 'GAAP'.
The one that changes history, including reporting of member numbers, to suit whatever purpose that 'faction' may have at the time.
The one that allowed a certain person with a Welsh name a whole page in the magazine to attack a simple letter to the editor.
The faction that drove a really good Exec manager to leave (or was he sacked???) for not agreeing with certain voting and accounting procedures.
The one that told someone complaining about increasing costs at privatised airports 'he has to get a return for his investment' (despite Anderson's CPI-1% promise).
The one that tried to bring us compulsory CPI (and thus increased operating costs) by representing the issue in the Senate, even if it wasn't on the agenda!!!!
Apart from that, this 'mob' has achieved SFA for GA; but CASA are happy, years of shoddy management and ego airing have so preoccupied AOPA that CASA has gone from strength to strength.
But the thing that p!sses me off most about this ageing 'faction' is the way it just goes its own way without ever once trying to find out what the members want.
I wonder if another applicant for the Gemmell job had been sucessful whether it would all be different now
Yeah axiom me old mate, you can keep your bellicose little faction all to yourself!!!!
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ulm; You simply don't get it do you ?
I am not a member of a faction, in fact I am anti faction.
I am not a Board member.
I AM A PISSED OFF MEMBER !
I recently advised a postee on this thread to keep your eyes and ears open, don't become involved in factions, don't listen to the old wags and.......
vote for the people who brought you results.
From what all and sundry can see to date, YOUR nominated faction of Pike, Hamilton, etc. seem to be in self preservation mode and YOUR nominated faction of McKeown, Kerans and the of late Kelly, are in fact agitating for a self destruct happening.
I am pragmatic enough to have sought help from various sources within the aviation spectrum when I needed it and most certainly have used both the Labor and National Parties in the Senate for results.
Of particular note is that whenever I approached any Democrats, they didn't even pay me the courtesy of an acknowledgement.
Your self confessed allegience to faction B puts you in this same "sit in the corner, wringing hands and opposing everything" outlook on life that has that political party in the state of a benign wart with no followers.
I believe your postings here at pprune have been negative and you are using it as a platform to further whatever AOPA political agenda you may have.
If you lose Hamilton or Pike, you can kiss AOPA goodby. I'm not the first to say that either.
Instead of being so critical of achievements (whether they are good, mediocre or bad), why don't you list your's?
Why don't you answer the questions I posed yesterday about the origins of AOPA ?
If as I suspect, AOPA has been around for so long a time, why would you want to be party to it's fractionation or demise.
With regard corporate governance, what would a tribunal say to members of a faction of a Board breaking ranks publically and, particularly at a real danger of harming the organisation, and running tales to the enemy.
(if in fact the original AOPA was set up to protect against the old DCA) has this facet of the organisation been compromised ?
You trotted out "the Bobsy twins from Bankstown" the other day, I believe your mob are too closely aligned with Canberra (both geographically and ideologically to make any sort of a claim to righteousness in this matter.
I like a lot of others only have one vote at the next elections, don't count on mine.
I am not a member of a faction, in fact I am anti faction.
I am not a Board member.
I AM A PISSED OFF MEMBER !
I recently advised a postee on this thread to keep your eyes and ears open, don't become involved in factions, don't listen to the old wags and.......
vote for the people who brought you results.
From what all and sundry can see to date, YOUR nominated faction of Pike, Hamilton, etc. seem to be in self preservation mode and YOUR nominated faction of McKeown, Kerans and the of late Kelly, are in fact agitating for a self destruct happening.
I am pragmatic enough to have sought help from various sources within the aviation spectrum when I needed it and most certainly have used both the Labor and National Parties in the Senate for results.
Of particular note is that whenever I approached any Democrats, they didn't even pay me the courtesy of an acknowledgement.
Your self confessed allegience to faction B puts you in this same "sit in the corner, wringing hands and opposing everything" outlook on life that has that political party in the state of a benign wart with no followers.
I believe your postings here at pprune have been negative and you are using it as a platform to further whatever AOPA political agenda you may have.
If you lose Hamilton or Pike, you can kiss AOPA goodby. I'm not the first to say that either.
Instead of being so critical of achievements (whether they are good, mediocre or bad), why don't you list your's?
Why don't you answer the questions I posed yesterday about the origins of AOPA ?
If as I suspect, AOPA has been around for so long a time, why would you want to be party to it's fractionation or demise.
With regard corporate governance, what would a tribunal say to members of a faction of a Board breaking ranks publically and, particularly at a real danger of harming the organisation, and running tales to the enemy.
(if in fact the original AOPA was set up to protect against the old DCA) has this facet of the organisation been compromised ?
You trotted out "the Bobsy twins from Bankstown" the other day, I believe your mob are too closely aligned with Canberra (both geographically and ideologically to make any sort of a claim to righteousness in this matter.
I like a lot of others only have one vote at the next elections, don't count on mine.
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I am not standing at the next election, nor have I ever stood. In fact I am only a member under duress!!!! So do what you will with your vote.
You make assumptions about my allegiences, but as usuall your assumptions suggest only the first three letters. I am not 'Canberran', I am not a supporter of any Canberra faction and in fact, if I got my druthers, I'd have someone from the North as President so we could get rid of the Sydneycentricity of the organisation.
In addition, it is you that aligns Pike and Hamilton, I do not. Just because their careers were/are similar does not mean they think alike.
In my view Hamilton has achieved very little for AOPA or GA over the past years. I have no view on Pike whatsoever.
I also care as much for the origins of AOPA as I do for the origins of the Liberal Party (the pair being closely aligned). As a member I care only for whether AOPA supports me, makes my flying cheaper, safer and easier.
So far, in my 18 month membership, I am dissatisfied. Before that my absolute dissatisfaction prevented me from joining. Should the domination of AOPA by the 'old school' and followers continue I see very little reason to remain a member (or for that matter for AOPA to continue to exist).
You make assumptions about my allegiences, but as usuall your assumptions suggest only the first three letters. I am not 'Canberran', I am not a supporter of any Canberra faction and in fact, if I got my druthers, I'd have someone from the North as President so we could get rid of the Sydneycentricity of the organisation.
In addition, it is you that aligns Pike and Hamilton, I do not. Just because their careers were/are similar does not mean they think alike.
In my view Hamilton has achieved very little for AOPA or GA over the past years. I have no view on Pike whatsoever.
I also care as much for the origins of AOPA as I do for the origins of the Liberal Party (the pair being closely aligned). As a member I care only for whether AOPA supports me, makes my flying cheaper, safer and easier.
So far, in my 18 month membership, I am dissatisfied. Before that my absolute dissatisfaction prevented me from joining. Should the domination of AOPA by the 'old school' and followers continue I see very little reason to remain a member (or for that matter for AOPA to continue to exist).
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Woomera;
In resting my case I ask, have you got a "******" icon I can use to describe my feelings at this moment.
grrrrrrr grrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrr ?????????
Woomera, the icon I was asking about was a bugg*r icon.
This surely must go down in the anus of histericals as the most pressing matter to date.
As Australians driving Toyot*s we will not rest until we have this icon granted us.
I fully intend to press this matter on all D & G threads until a resolve is reached.
In liu of same we, The "bugg*r Australians" will accept an apology from your esteemed towers of knowledge and a substitute existing icon we can use in the interim.
We are deafly seriuos (how do you cut out newsprint and make a threatening letter in this web site) ?
axion (the bad one).
In resting my case I ask, have you got a "******" icon I can use to describe my feelings at this moment.
grrrrrrr grrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrr ?????????
Woomera, the icon I was asking about was a bugg*r icon.
This surely must go down in the anus of histericals as the most pressing matter to date.
As Australians driving Toyot*s we will not rest until we have this icon granted us.
I fully intend to press this matter on all D & G threads until a resolve is reached.
In liu of same we, The "bugg*r Australians" will accept an apology from your esteemed towers of knowledge and a substitute existing icon we can use in the interim.
We are deafly seriuos (how do you cut out newsprint and make a threatening letter in this web site) ?
axion (the bad one).
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Regardless of what has been posted on this forum or the changing of the AOPA palace guard over the past decade......
The reality is AOPA membership is in serious decline and AOPA Australia is in serious trouble.
Anyone wanna see what AOPA Australia could be like?.
www.aopa.org
Have a look, it could happen here as well.
The reality is AOPA membership is in serious decline and AOPA Australia is in serious trouble.
Anyone wanna see what AOPA Australia could be like?.
www.aopa.org
Have a look, it could happen here as well.
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RFG, yes a real eye opener. Perhaps we all should take note and a reality check at the same time.
I know there is a population difference which should be logarithmically applied, but there is room for improved optimism.
I hope all members will allow the present Board to just get on with the job and judge them at the next elections. I sincerely hope the dissenters will concur and be around when the time comes for them to throw their hat in the ring.
In the meantime, there is an approximate 10,000 potential members right here at pprune (D&G), and all with an interest in aviation should perhaps use this platform to further this goal of a membership increase. It does appear that a concencus has been reached with regard the AOPA Australia web site and perhaps the Board should take note
I know there is a population difference which should be logarithmically applied, but there is room for improved optimism.
I hope all members will allow the present Board to just get on with the job and judge them at the next elections. I sincerely hope the dissenters will concur and be around when the time comes for them to throw their hat in the ring.
In the meantime, there is an approximate 10,000 potential members right here at pprune (D&G), and all with an interest in aviation should perhaps use this platform to further this goal of a membership increase. It does appear that a concencus has been reached with regard the AOPA Australia web site and perhaps the Board should take note
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Wider Magazine Distribution to attract NEW MEMBERS
AOPA could just start with something basic that the US AOPA does.
How about distribution of the magazine through Newsagents and Flight Schools just like Australian Aviation & Australian Flying .
New Pilots (read: potential fresh new AOPA fodder) & Armchair Pilots practically devour anything printed about Aviation.
Distribution of the magazine would expose AOPA to a wider group, raise public exposure and surely attract some new members (with fresh ideas).
And dare I say possibly add some cash flow due to sales or at least reduce print costs by a larger circulation (i.e. larger circulation = more advertising $$).
BTW; This has been suggested in the past by a few members.
The conspiracy theorist in me summises that some elected members may have seen this as an erosion of their power base or opening their exclusive little club to heretics.
Anyway, I concur with Axiom's comment, I hope the present board gets on with the job.
How about distribution of the magazine through Newsagents and Flight Schools just like Australian Aviation & Australian Flying .
New Pilots (read: potential fresh new AOPA fodder) & Armchair Pilots practically devour anything printed about Aviation.
Distribution of the magazine would expose AOPA to a wider group, raise public exposure and surely attract some new members (with fresh ideas).
And dare I say possibly add some cash flow due to sales or at least reduce print costs by a larger circulation (i.e. larger circulation = more advertising $$).
BTW; This has been suggested in the past by a few members.
The conspiracy theorist in me summises that some elected members may have seen this as an erosion of their power base or opening their exclusive little club to heretics.
Anyway, I concur with Axiom's comment, I hope the present board gets on with the job.
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"....there is an approximate 10,000 potential members right here at pprune (D&G), and all with an interest in aviation should perhaps use this platform to further this goal of a membership increase."
I hope you will be doing the right thing and paying Danny for this via banner type advertising. I would hate to think of the regular D&Gs being seen as just likely "propects" .
I hope you will be doing the right thing and paying Danny for this via banner type advertising. I would hate to think of the regular D&Gs being seen as just likely "propects" .
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VOTE NO TO BUGG*R
Woomera....As a concerned Australian Citizen, I for one am firmly against the use of a Bugga icon on this BB.....We should exercise our freedom of action and speech and have this disgusting proposal put to bed once and for all.
As a brand new Grandfather
, I refuse to allow the future generations of nasa(s) to be subjected to this horrendous use of foul and unconscionable language/signage, without the minimum of the Mother of All Battles.
As a brand new Grandfather
, I refuse to allow the future generations of nasa(s) to be subjected to this horrendous use of foul and unconscionable language/signage, without the minimum of the Mother of All Battles.
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charlie foxtrot india.
this appears to be a chicken and the egg thing,
AOPA want members to make the organisation more solvent and thus, one would imagine, would be unable to subscribe to the banner advertising thing.
If they had more members they possibly could, given a board concurrence, which at the moment seems improbable.
woomera suggested that pprune is not in "competition" with AOPA and I believe these sentiments to be sincere.
Further, it was suggested by this same moderator that pprune would be a good forum to air things AOPA given, AOPA's determination to have a members only thing going on their web site and thus preventing potential members from seeing, trying and participating in general aviation matters and forums. (obviously sans administrative matters).
A question of sincerity, because I do not follow the world forums, but do AOPA US do this sort of advertising? (woomera?).
Could be a good idea, and supports my theory that there are people out there who have positive, not negative ideas about AOPA.
Potential members, not likely prospects seems nicer.
nasa:
apparantly you can say bugga, bugga, bugga, but not bugg*r etc.
10 year old told me this on another forum.
this appears to be a chicken and the egg thing,
AOPA want members to make the organisation more solvent and thus, one would imagine, would be unable to subscribe to the banner advertising thing.
If they had more members they possibly could, given a board concurrence, which at the moment seems improbable.
woomera suggested that pprune is not in "competition" with AOPA and I believe these sentiments to be sincere.
Further, it was suggested by this same moderator that pprune would be a good forum to air things AOPA given, AOPA's determination to have a members only thing going on their web site and thus preventing potential members from seeing, trying and participating in general aviation matters and forums. (obviously sans administrative matters).
A question of sincerity, because I do not follow the world forums, but do AOPA US do this sort of advertising? (woomera?).
Could be a good idea, and supports my theory that there are people out there who have positive, not negative ideas about AOPA.
Potential members, not likely prospects seems nicer.
nasa:
apparantly you can say bugga, bugga, bugga, but not bugg*r etc.
10 year old told me this on another forum.
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Jan. 10 — AOPA, already the world's largest civil aviation organization, continued to make substantial gains in membership during 2002, ending the year with 390,749 members. That's an increase of 12,179 in a single year.
"Passing another 10,000-member milestone and achieving 390,749 provides a number that commands attention," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "As the new 108th Congress convenes and the country faces many issues that could impact general aviation pilots, aircraft, and airports, we're pleased to represent the many pilots who trust us to protect their interests.
Jan. 10 — AOPA, already the world's largest civil aviation organization, continued to make substantial gains in membership during 2002, ending the year with 390,749 members. That's an increase of 12,179 in a single year.
"Passing another 10,000-member milestone and achieving 390,749 provides a number that commands attention," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "As the new 108th Congress convenes and the country faces many issues that could impact general aviation pilots, aircraft, and airports, we're pleased to represent the many pilots who trust us to protect their interests.