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Gentlemen
This is a Forum in which we all have the right to comment and make observations.
exrba made an observation, the "truth of which" may or may not be properly tested or available for some time, but given the 'type' involved is more likely than not.
The performance available from these types, would in the worst case scenario, test, the most expert of us, and, it is indeed possible to totally overwhelm even the most expert..
Nonetheless he/she is entitled to make comment in any event.
We should be careful not to "confuse" the "personalities" with a "professional" and possibly pertinent observation.
Personal abuse, in the vein of
and
and so on, do not reflect well on the posters or their professionalism, nor I suspect would they bring approbation from Mr Morris.
Yes, they reflect the love and affection held by them for the object of the thread, but I suspect, from the tenor of posts herein in regard to the character and disposition of Mr Morris, that he may well have welcomed any point of view that "challenged" the status quo and would have "championed" a critical assesment of any incident/accident in the pursuit of further advancement of his profession.
He may well have been embarassed by the virulence of his defenders.
NONE of us are "bulletproof" regardless of whether we are a "legend" or have "godzillion" hours.
The most professional of us would have always the view in front of us that "sh!t can happen" and that there is always the probability that we may, one day, meet a situation that confounds us totally.
This is a Forum in which we all have the right to comment and make observations.
exrba made an observation, the "truth of which" may or may not be properly tested or available for some time, but given the 'type' involved is more likely than not.
The performance available from these types, would in the worst case scenario, test, the most expert of us, and, it is indeed possible to totally overwhelm even the most expert..
Nonetheless he/she is entitled to make comment in any event.
We should be careful not to "confuse" the "personalities" with a "professional" and possibly pertinent observation.
Personal abuse, in the vein of
Exrbra, you on the other hand... are a gutless wonder. You're cheap,nasty,ignorant and no doubt, after seeing the crap that you wrote, one sad, lonely little man who really should stay at home playing combat sims or Flight Simulator 200 and stay with your little bug smasher on the weekends!
You mindless, insignificant little twit! Unless you have some first-hand information, which I very much doubt you do, I suggest you keep your smart-arsed comments to yourself
Yes, they reflect the love and affection held by them for the object of the thread, but I suspect, from the tenor of posts herein in regard to the character and disposition of Mr Morris, that he may well have welcomed any point of view that "challenged" the status quo and would have "championed" a critical assesment of any incident/accident in the pursuit of further advancement of his profession.
He may well have been embarassed by the virulence of his defenders.
NONE of us are "bulletproof" regardless of whether we are a "legend" or have "godzillion" hours.
The most professional of us would have always the view in front of us that "sh!t can happen" and that there is always the probability that we may, one day, meet a situation that confounds us totally.
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Woomera
You are 100% correct about this being a forum in which we all have a right to comment! But by the same token, WE have a right to either agree with or disagree with the comments made and a right to defend the honour and memory of a damn fine pilot and friend!
Oh! and please don't suggest that Les might be offended somehow by us doing so unless you know the man as we do! (I know he wouldv'e had the guts to do the same for me.)
Oh! and please don't suggest that Les might be offended somehow by us doing so unless you know the man as we do! (I know he wouldv'e had the guts to do the same for me.)
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I am not going to go tit for tat with you on this one.
Does not however, confer the right to such explicit and abusive behaviour. Period.
Your last paragraph speaks for itself.
I might remind the offenders that it is/was within my powers to apply the rules absolutely and either warn or ban the posters, it is out of respect for the feelings revealed herein that I have not done so.
So lets get back to the thread shall we.
I am not going to go tit for tat with you on this one.
WE have a right to either agree with or disagree with the comments made and a right to defend the honour and memory of a damn fine pilot and friend!
Your last paragraph speaks for itself.
I might remind the offenders that it is/was within my powers to apply the rules absolutely and either warn or ban the posters, it is out of respect for the feelings revealed herein that I have not done so.
So lets get back to the thread shall we.
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Point taken....... having said that, I'll always go to the defence of Les Morris and his ilk. Knowing him well, he wouldn't be embarrassed by it. He stood up for me and helped me on numerous occasions over the last few years and I remember having a conversation with him a few short months ago about the meaning of loyalty and how it doesn't seem to exist to the same extent these days as it did a while back.
I'm acting as Les would have expected a friend to have acted in this situation....with loyalty, a sense of mateship, call it what you will.
I do however apologise for the abusive aspect of my post. I do not apologise for the motivations behind it. I'd expect the same from anybody I consider a friend. Way to stand up propswinga,aerowasp,johhny utah,capt_jack and others.
One final thing Woomera..does this mean now that people can make ignorant, inappropriate, hurtful and ill-informed comments about deceased individuals with impunity but the blokes who take them to task over those comments are to be condemned?!. I may not be the most eloquent person in the world when it comes to expressing my point of view but I do know the difference between right and wrong.
The content of my post and the offence it could of caused I think pales into insignifigance when compared to the few short lines posted by that foolish individual.
Cheers
I'm acting as Les would have expected a friend to have acted in this situation....with loyalty, a sense of mateship, call it what you will.
I do however apologise for the abusive aspect of my post. I do not apologise for the motivations behind it. I'd expect the same from anybody I consider a friend. Way to stand up propswinga,aerowasp,johhny utah,capt_jack and others.
One final thing Woomera..does this mean now that people can make ignorant, inappropriate, hurtful and ill-informed comments about deceased individuals with impunity but the blokes who take them to task over those comments are to be condemned?!. I may not be the most eloquent person in the world when it comes to expressing my point of view but I do know the difference between right and wrong.
The content of my post and the offence it could of caused I think pales into insignifigance when compared to the few short lines posted by that foolish individual.
Cheers
Both engines have been examined and no defects have been found. There was a witness who saw the touch and go as he was pushing his aircraft into a hangar. Reported that it didnt climb above 100 ft agl and had a rapid roll in one direction(what way is uncertain - could be easy to confuse the direction from side on at night) at the same time then recoved wings level moments before impact. Neither prop was feathered at the time of impact.
Make what you will of that.
Make what you will of that.
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The problem is that Exerba's comment, and the tone in which it was phrased, is as out of place on this thread as it would be if he had put in the obituary column of the paper, or (heaven forbid) interjected during the eulogy at Les' funeral. There is a time and a place for these things to be picked over, and interjecting a posting like that in a thread where people have gathered to mourn a mate for whom they had a large amount of respect was not appropriate.
Pick it over, speculate and gather information by all means, as learning from every accident is how you'll become an old pilot. But there is a time and a place, and this isn't it.
Rest in peace Les.
Pick it over, speculate and gather information by all means, as learning from every accident is how you'll become an old pilot. But there is a time and a place, and this isn't it.
Rest in peace Les.
