Get a CPL and ??? Do you expect it?
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Well said wiz! Hey and I could say open a can for me, but hell, out of aviation, I can afford a good scotch these days!!! 
HA, I offered to come play but you wouldnt have me...
flying that is! tooooooo many hours... go figure
The bias is just as prevalent over the 1000 hour mark. Everyone automatically assumes that no one wants to fly singles after the 1000 hours or so, but how wrong they'd be!
I got into flying for fun, went to CPL because it was fun, and when it stopped being fun and risking passengers lives I got out! If I had the right firm to go to, I would fly for fun again! Or to word it slightly better, I took myself and my career very seriously, but I thoroughly enjoyed what I did; twin, single or turbine twin.
HA, I offered to come play but you wouldnt have me...
flying that is! tooooooo many hours... go figureThe bias is just as prevalent over the 1000 hour mark. Everyone automatically assumes that no one wants to fly singles after the 1000 hours or so, but how wrong they'd be!
I got into flying for fun, went to CPL because it was fun, and when it stopped being fun and risking passengers lives I got out! If I had the right firm to go to, I would fly for fun again! Or to word it slightly better, I took myself and my career very seriously, but I thoroughly enjoyed what I did; twin, single or turbine twin.
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patch up jobs
hehe knulps........
there appears to be a long line of patch-em-ups to do in Tennant Creek!......... hang on.....we patch-em-up,......they go halfway down the line..... get into a fight and get back in the line again!
Got me work cut out here for a year... and Ive done my bush time again!!!!!! I must be gullable or somethin' I keep getting that "bush time".... now whered I put my scotch........
I reakon best of luck to those who get the job they want, manage to hold their integrity together and get to where ever it is they want to be..... Hats off to you...
But my advice to all the city tarmac dwellers who wont go bush......... get in the dammed car and drive! Its great fun, you meet the best mates making tracks for yourself, and you learn how to deal with life itself, not just handle an airplane in the dust... Hopefully they already taught you how to do that.
Its the total experience in this huge land of ours which offers so much to those who dare to begin to look and learn. Whether you end wind up tossing meatbombs out in Queensland, chasing cows out west, charters around Mount Isa to Bungling in the Kimberly, you made an effort and thats what counts. No resume on the desk can count as much as a face at the door.
there appears to be a long line of patch-em-ups to do in Tennant Creek!......... hang on.....we patch-em-up,......they go halfway down the line..... get into a fight and get back in the line again!
Got me work cut out here for a year... and Ive done my bush time
again!!!!!! I must be gullable or somethin' I keep getting that "bush time".... now whered I put my scotch........ I reakon best of luck to those who get the job they want, manage to hold their integrity together and get to where ever it is they want to be..... Hats off to you...
But my advice to all the city tarmac dwellers who wont go bush......... get in the dammed car and drive! Its great fun, you meet the best mates making tracks for yourself, and you learn how to deal with life itself, not just handle an airplane in the dust... Hopefully they already taught you how to do that.
Its the total experience in this huge land of ours which offers so much to those who dare to begin to look and learn. Whether you end wind up tossing meatbombs out in Queensland, chasing cows out west, charters around Mount Isa to Bungling in the Kimberly, you made an effort and thats what counts. No resume on the desk can count as much as a face at the door.
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tend to agree with original post. where i work the amount of young guys that think theyll get that new cpl and get a job, as one put it sitting in a lounge chair pushing buttons, are in for an incredible shock. guys now days have no drive to hassel an employer, and networking is severly lacking. remember while i was trainging for cpl old man, who is not in aviation, said that effective career progression comes from an ability to NETWORK effectively. thats what it all comes down to, and that holds true for any industry, particularly aviation.
i also find though that alot of employers have a great deal of contempt for new job seekers and that is wrong. have they forgotten those first job seeking efforts of door knocking. the fact that you rock up some where and ask an employer in the face ' have you got any jobs going, im willing to do anything' if nothing else shows guts. have only worked for one employer out of five that took the time to chat to these guys, even if they werent looking. some had driven thousands of kms.
but then, thats the industry., its a bitch where only the most resilient survive.
i also find though that alot of employers have a great deal of contempt for new job seekers and that is wrong. have they forgotten those first job seeking efforts of door knocking. the fact that you rock up some where and ask an employer in the face ' have you got any jobs going, im willing to do anything' if nothing else shows guts. have only worked for one employer out of five that took the time to chat to these guys, even if they werent looking. some had driven thousands of kms.
but then, thats the industry., its a bitch where only the most resilient survive.
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Well said Port,
I guess comptempt is a strong but just way of putting how some operator treat ambitious and usually dedicated pilots. I would like to hear from operators and their thoughts on that. Do they show this condescension because once bitten twice shy and if so thats unjust.
If someone is going to have the guts and determination to get together a resume and front up at your door with the obvious drive to succeed why not give them a go if you have jobs going. Remember that you were once in the same boat.
So am I disillusioned to what the state of the industry is for a bare CPL trying for a break or am I correct in saying what I have. I am one of these low time guys itching to get a break and benefit from experience but its a catch 22 most of the time. You need the experience to get the job but where do you get the experince
Ang
I guess comptempt is a strong but just way of putting how some operator treat ambitious and usually dedicated pilots. I would like to hear from operators and their thoughts on that. Do they show this condescension because once bitten twice shy and if so thats unjust.
If someone is going to have the guts and determination to get together a resume and front up at your door with the obvious drive to succeed why not give them a go if you have jobs going. Remember that you were once in the same boat.
So am I disillusioned to what the state of the industry is for a bare CPL trying for a break or am I correct in saying what I have. I am one of these low time guys itching to get a break and benefit from experience but its a catch 22 most of the time. You need the experience to get the job but where do you get the experince
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There have always been a few rotten sods in G.A.
Eons ago when I started my first door knock tour of Australia - I came across some real mean sods who didn't have to go out of their way to be mean.
The majority did however act human and some even gave me a cuppa with a scotch finger biscuit.
Now that I'm the one reading CV's, I don't forget what I went thru.
Don't give up, Keep knocking on doors and showing your face.
Hint: Don't forget to put an email/hotmail etc. when you send out a batch of C.V's.
Eons ago when I started my first door knock tour of Australia - I came across some real mean sods who didn't have to go out of their way to be mean.
The majority did however act human and some even gave me a cuppa with a scotch finger biscuit.
Now that I'm the one reading CV's, I don't forget what I went thru.
Don't give up, Keep knocking on doors and showing your face.
Hint: Don't forget to put an email/hotmail etc. when you send out a batch of C.V's.
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I'm sure of one thing, i'd rather be in the 95% that didn't make it then the x number of wishing they'd tried.
I'm just glad the things that make me happy in life (other then flying) don't cost me a cent... in fact a lot of the time i get paid for the privilage of doing something i love. It may not be aviation but its still something.
I'm not sure if being willing to accept that things may not work out is the same as not being enthusiastic, its just a good defence against ending up jaded like so many seem to be.
Now after all that, if anyone knows anything going at skydiving places round south east QLD i'd love to know, or even ANY info at all bout the people/operators around i'd love to know.
I'm just glad the things that make me happy in life (other then flying) don't cost me a cent... in fact a lot of the time i get paid for the privilage of doing something i love. It may not be aviation but its still something.
I'm not sure if being willing to accept that things may not work out is the same as not being enthusiastic, its just a good defence against ending up jaded like so many seem to be.
Now after all that, if anyone knows anything going at skydiving places round south east QLD i'd love to know, or even ANY info at all bout the people/operators around i'd love to know.
