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This might be an impossible question to answer but I'll give it a go anyway...
I am going to be taking up flight training either mid next year or start of 04 and I was wondering out of all the flight schools and Uni's that offer aviation courses what would be the best to do in terms of gaining employment after completion of a CPL course and eventually getiing into an airline position and Do airlines and other operators prefer some flight schools over another?
I am really interested to hear anyones view as I want to give my self the best chance possible in the industry if there is such a thing in the aviation business.
(QF cadets isn't an option)
Thanks for your help.
I am going to be taking up flight training either mid next year or start of 04 and I was wondering out of all the flight schools and Uni's that offer aviation courses what would be the best to do in terms of gaining employment after completion of a CPL course and eventually getiing into an airline position and Do airlines and other operators prefer some flight schools over another?
I am really interested to hear anyones view as I want to give my self the best chance possible in the industry if there is such a thing in the aviation business.
(QF cadets isn't an option)
Thanks for your help.
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I am currently located in Tasmania however location isn't an issue for me. I am planning on moving to where ever I need to in order to attend a good school/course.
Try UNISA.
Very experienced instructors,cheap rates,and you will be in Qantas before you know it.
Well thats what they told me in their 'conference' in which I attended in Sydney a few months ago.
Very experienced instructors,cheap rates,and you will be in Qantas before you know it.
Well thats what they told me in their 'conference' in which I attended in Sydney a few months ago.
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Country Capital has a Cadetship in Tamworth. Start from scratch, get CPL, ME CIR, ATPL and then get some hours flying a twin probably doing bank runs. Might be worth looking into options like that, although beware, the late Tamair were doing the same sort of thing and went bankrupt. Many Cadets lost a lot of money and what they thought would be a good start to an aviation career.
Although I think most of them have gotten into QF now.
Although I think most of them have gotten into QF now.
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"Very experienced instructors,cheap rates,and you will be in Qantas before you know it."
i'm sure if you attend a few more 'conferences' this would be a common statement and selling point from the majority of the programs out there.
There are a number of quality degree programs and courses around oz. Guys and Gals do your research on them and good luck.
"Very experienced instructors,cheap rates,and you will be in Qantas before you know it."
i'm sure if you attend a few more 'conferences' this would be a common statement and selling point from the majority of the programs out there.
There are a number of quality degree programs and courses around oz. Guys and Gals do your research on them and good luck.
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My only experience is with griffith, and i wouldn't recomend it for undergratuates. The postgrad stuff looks quite good though
Just do your homework, like many have said. Every flying school will spin you a pile of bs, ignore it and have a look around. don't get sucked in by the 'moderness' of the fleet and so forth, the quality of training in the air and on the ground is more important then if the radios are digital or analog
Just do your homework, like many have said. Every flying school will spin you a pile of bs, ignore it and have a look around. don't get sucked in by the 'moderness' of the fleet and so forth, the quality of training in the air and on the ground is more important then if the radios are digital or analog
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“Very experienced Instructors” hmm well, as I know the people who where selling you this cr*p I can tell you that might no be the case. Every year they take on three instructors who graduate the year before, these three new instructors replace the past year instructors who by the end of the year might… almost be classed as “experienced Instructors” As far as I know they have one grade one, and the rest maybe grade two’s by now but they will be “moving on” with a helpful push very soon. Unless you are doing your MEIR you won’t get to fly with the CFI. I’d personally look at not doing an Aviation specific course, look at management or something else that interests you and do your flying outside of uni. But what would I know I got sucked in by the “ Our graduates go straight to Qantas/Cathy/Ansett”
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Does anyone know much about Arena Aviaiton in QLD? they "claim" that 90% of those who do the CPL course with them gain employment after completion. Assuming that is true, it sounds VERY attractive.
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q1: define employment. Maccas is tecnically employment
q2. how many people finish their cpl and how many leave to go down the road?
90% getting emplyment, means 10% don't. If i were you i'd go where you where happy and work your ass off so that regardless of what the percentage is, you'll suceed
i went to a high school thta obasts about its persentage of students getting into uni. It doesn't boast about the percentage that drop out 6 months later. Food For thought
PM if you have some specific questions. Theres plenty of Arena and FTA people on here, no doubt people from the other YBAF school as well
q2. how many people finish their cpl and how many leave to go down the road?
90% getting emplyment, means 10% don't. If i were you i'd go where you where happy and work your ass off so that regardless of what the percentage is, you'll suceed
i went to a high school thta obasts about its persentage of students getting into uni. It doesn't boast about the percentage that drop out 6 months later. Food For thought
PM if you have some specific questions. Theres plenty of Arena and FTA people on here, no doubt people from the other YBAF school as well
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It's just such a shame that no real cadet program other than QF's
has survived long term.The Tamair course was excellent except
the Spiv running the company was more interested in ripping his
cadets off by subsidising his airline than a long term approach.
It's not that hard to establish a cadet program in a decent well
run secondary airline.A clue for all aspirant pilots is get all the
theory behind them before even trying for jobs.Once you crack a
flying job you won't have time for theory/physics courses that are
mandatory for QF. A relative was an unfortunate victim of Tamairs
cadet program. Lost 25,000 cold to the above Spiv, but most of
the Tamair cadets are now in QF, poorer but wiser.
has survived long term.The Tamair course was excellent except
the Spiv running the company was more interested in ripping his
cadets off by subsidising his airline than a long term approach.
It's not that hard to establish a cadet program in a decent well
run secondary airline.A clue for all aspirant pilots is get all the
theory behind them before even trying for jobs.Once you crack a
flying job you won't have time for theory/physics courses that are
mandatory for QF. A relative was an unfortunate victim of Tamairs
cadet program. Lost 25,000 cold to the above Spiv, but most of
the Tamair cadets are now in QF, poorer but wiser.
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Student Pilot,
I'm not sure why you would listen to "our graduates go straight to Qantas, Cathay..." as the airlines minumum requirements are alot higher than what graduates have when they finish the course.
Unless the UNISA course has changed over the past few years, I believe it is one of the better ones out there, although what you say about the instructor cycle is definatly an issue they should sort out.
I'm not sure why you would listen to "our graduates go straight to Qantas, Cathay..." as the airlines minumum requirements are alot higher than what graduates have when they finish the course.
Unless the UNISA course has changed over the past few years, I believe it is one of the better ones out there, although what you say about the instructor cycle is definatly an issue they should sort out.
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Pistol Pete, as you're from Tassie, why not go and have a chat to Terry Mulholland - I think he still runs the seaplane outfit out of Port Arther. He is a very oldie but a goodie. He can give you the lowdown on most of the Flying Training organisations in SA, Vic and Tas. Make sure you allow plenty of time for the chat! Chisholm has a Diploma course that articulates into a Bachelors
Degree. Choice of flying schools - TVSA Pilot Training, Civil, Peninsula Aero Club, Bacchus Marsh School of Aviation (accommodation available on the airport, Moorabbin Aviation Services and Tristar Aviation.
Degree. Choice of flying schools - TVSA Pilot Training, Civil, Peninsula Aero Club, Bacchus Marsh School of Aviation (accommodation available on the airport, Moorabbin Aviation Services and Tristar Aviation.
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Further to Tealady's advice I recommend Royal Vivctorian Aero Club at Moorabbin for the flying training, and the Diploma of Aviation at Holmesglen TAFE (Moorabbin Campus) for the theory.
Very cheap theory classes. Useful qualification including some business related subjects, First Aid. I am currently just finishing off PPL theory at school and approaching GFPT.
RVAC has many aircraft (number and types), they may be a little more expensive than others at Moorabbin but I think the instructors they hire are more professional.
There are degrees in aviation available at universities around the country but I am yet to be convinced that these would give you a major advantage for employment in Australia, over say a Diploma which costs a lot less and is quicker to complete. If you wanted to progress into management roles in major airlines then I would recommend a degree. Otherwise just do what you have to to land yourself a good flying job.
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Very cheap theory classes. Useful qualification including some business related subjects, First Aid. I am currently just finishing off PPL theory at school and approaching GFPT.
RVAC has many aircraft (number and types), they may be a little more expensive than others at Moorabbin but I think the instructors they hire are more professional.
There are degrees in aviation available at universities around the country but I am yet to be convinced that these would give you a major advantage for employment in Australia, over say a Diploma which costs a lot less and is quicker to complete. If you wanted to progress into management roles in major airlines then I would recommend a degree. Otherwise just do what you have to to land yourself a good flying job.
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I agree with Aus. The RVAC is a fantastic outfit. I'm finishing off my CPL flying over the next couple of months. Customer service is fantastic, and because of the club atmosphere, you feel valued by the staff/instructors.
I also did my CPL theory with Holmesglen. The theory instructor who ran the course - Roger - is fantastic and very helpful. I hear the ATPL classes there are great as well. As far as I'm aware, it is run by an ex airline training captain. If you ask him a question that is not relavent to the CASA sylibus, he knows the answer - unlike some other courses, who will teach you how to pass. He also takes his students into the AN 767 sim at tulla for a bit of a fly (I was able to do this).
Also, as was suggested above, don't rule out a degree outside aviation - the girls are much better looking.
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I also did my CPL theory with Holmesglen. The theory instructor who ran the course - Roger - is fantastic and very helpful. I hear the ATPL classes there are great as well. As far as I'm aware, it is run by an ex airline training captain. If you ask him a question that is not relavent to the CASA sylibus, he knows the answer - unlike some other courses, who will teach you how to pass. He also takes his students into the AN 767 sim at tulla for a bit of a fly (I was able to do this).
Also, as was suggested above, don't rule out a degree outside aviation - the girls are much better looking.
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After spending my entire working life in the aviation industry including time as a trainer and checker in an airline. Don’t get sucked into this aviation degree courses !!!!!! If you won’t a uni degree then do a traditional course at a long established uni and learn to fly part time.
If you won’t to become an airline pilot go to as many flying schools as you can and see what they have to offer.
Some questions I would suggest you ask them:
1. Which instructor will be training me?
2. What experience does he have in training commercial pilots?
3. How long has he been instructing?
4. Do I have to pay for the course in advance or can I pay as I go?
5. How long has this company been training pilots for?
6. Can you give me some names of pilots you have trained or worked for you that are in airlines that I can contact to ask about your training standards?
7. Will you give me a job at the end of my training? (If they say yes don’t believe them)
8. Ask the instructors your learning to fly with were they did their training?
9. Ask to instructors you intend to fly with what sort of boss they work for?
Just a couple of golden rules:
1.The best training is not always the most expensive or cheapest
2.Never pay in advance. Always pay as you go (for example, you do an hours flying you pay for the hours flying) It is really hard to get money back out of a business once you pay them, especially an aviation business.
Good Luck
Wagit
After spending my entire working life in the aviation industry including time as a trainer and checker in an airline. Don’t get sucked into this aviation degree courses !!!!!! If you won’t a uni degree then do a traditional course at a long established uni and learn to fly part time.
If you won’t to become an airline pilot go to as many flying schools as you can and see what they have to offer.
Some questions I would suggest you ask them:
1. Which instructor will be training me?
2. What experience does he have in training commercial pilots?
3. How long has he been instructing?
4. Do I have to pay for the course in advance or can I pay as I go?
5. How long has this company been training pilots for?
6. Can you give me some names of pilots you have trained or worked for you that are in airlines that I can contact to ask about your training standards?
7. Will you give me a job at the end of my training? (If they say yes don’t believe them)
8. Ask the instructors your learning to fly with were they did their training?
9. Ask to instructors you intend to fly with what sort of boss they work for?
Just a couple of golden rules:
1.The best training is not always the most expensive or cheapest
2.Never pay in advance. Always pay as you go (for example, you do an hours flying you pay for the hours flying) It is really hard to get money back out of a business once you pay them, especially an aviation business.
Good Luck
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Raingauge and others,
Been told from a number of people that the UniSA course is just crap at the moment. They are trying to re organise subjects and what not, but for the moment I'd stay clear of it.
Also, the flying school needs a bloody huge shake up as well. Used to be one of the best ones around years ago. I think YPPF as a whole is doing pretty bad these days.
Natit
Been told from a number of people that the UniSA course is just crap at the moment. They are trying to re organise subjects and what not, but for the moment I'd stay clear of it.
Also, the flying school needs a bloody huge shake up as well. Used to be one of the best ones around years ago. I think YPPF as a whole is doing pretty bad these days.
Natit
