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3AW reporting parachuting plane down Barwon Heads 20/10/2023

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Old 20th Oct 2023, 03:30
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From memory, they clip themselves to the floor for restraint and C of G issue avoidance.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 03:44
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The jumpers do need to be restrained, but the restraint doesn't comply with the crash requirement protection provided by a seat designed to comply with the FAR. They use generally a single point anchored to the floor, the APF authorise/approve each individual aircraft type system.

https://libraryonline.erau.edu/onlin...ts/AM98-11.pdf
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I thought those engines were so mature technically they never fail if maintained properly.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 04:19
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good effort

Wow. What's best glide in a caravan and what does that sight picture look like if the prop is still fine?

(Would it feather automatically? Not clear if we're talking partial or full loss of power)


I hear these guys on guys on the radio pretty regularly and they seem super professional and courteous to the mix of traffic.

Wishing those hurt a speedy recovery
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 04:21
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Originally Posted by megan
The jumpers do need to be restrained, but the restraint doesn't comply with the crash requirement protection provided by a seat designed to comply with the FAR. They use generally a single point anchored to the floor, the APF authorise/approve each individual aircraft type system.

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Ok thanks
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 05:31
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Originally Posted by Forced Labor
Thought this aircraft had a Garrett not PT6
Yes, definitely a Garrett.

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Old 20th Oct 2023, 05:54
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Originally Posted by megan
Once again a demonstration that the aircraft ride is the most dangerous part of skydiving, and not necessarily said tongue in cheek.

yeah - nah. Spend any time in the skydive world you'll see death and severe injury all the time. Most of it doesn't draw media attention like a downed aircraft does.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 06:08
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Only ever had one injury, make that two, injuries that I'm aware of on our DZ, first jump student broke a leg and I a twisted an ankle on a down wind landing during a spot landing comp.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 06:21
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Only ever had one injury, make that two, injuries that I'm aware of on our DZ, first jump student broke a leg and I a twisted an ankle on a down wind landing during a spot landing comp.
makes sense - your first post sounded like the usual mental gymnastics jumpers use to rationalise the risk.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 06:37
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Yes, definitely a Garrett.

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Looks like a Honeywell to me from the pictures.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 06:40
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Idiots on Ch9 saying it was a “runway crash”
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 06:41
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Its time CASA scraps the whole skydiving can work under private ops deal, all it does is allow these operators to cut corners and not pay pilots award wages. Having worked for a skydive mob ive seen things that have no place in the aviation industry.
Are you suggesting that an under-paid pilot caused this aircraft to crash? Or is it due to the maintenance facility that's not doing their job because the company is cutting corners?
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 07:22
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
Looks like a Honeywell to me from the pictures.
Most of us 'oldies' refer to them as Garrett's.... otherwise no one knows what you're talking about!
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
Looks like a Honeywell to me from the pictures.
Okay, so it was a Honeywell - which was originally designed in the 1950s by Garrett.

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Old 20th Oct 2023, 08:22
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
Are you suggesting that an under-paid pilot caused this aircraft to crash? Or is it due to the maintenance facility that's not doing their job because the company is cutting corners?
Or could he be suggesting the aircraft was grossly overweight, or ran out of fuel or the pilot was fatigued or maintenance issued not reported. Surely none of these things would occur in an Australian parachute operation under the rigorous scrutiny of the Parachute Federation and CASA.
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Or could he be suggesting the aircraft was grossly overweight, or ran out of fuel or the pilot was fatigued or maintenance issued not reported. Surely none of these things would occur in an Australian parachute operation under the rigorous scrutiny of the Parachute Federation and CASA.
Surely seventeen in a C208 is a tad overloaded though?

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Old 20th Oct 2023, 09:01
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Originally Posted by Desert Flower
Surely seventeen in a C208 is surely a tad overloaded though?

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That would depend on the weight of the aircraft. For an aircraft to be “overloaded” it means that MTOW has been exceeded.

There are a lot of seats in a 14 seat 208 and they weigh a lot, so so with seats removed and a low amount of fuel, the world is your oyster for cramming in pax, subject to regulatory limitations on the number of passengers.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 09:02
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Originally Posted by Cloudee
Or could he be suggesting the aircraft was grossly overweight, or ran out of fuel or the pilot was fatigued or maintenance issued not reported. Surely none of these things would occur in an Australian parachute operation under the rigorous scrutiny of the Parachute Federation and CASA.
Is a pilot more likely to overload an aircraft because they are being paid less?
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 10:14
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There are plenty of operators who have CASA approvals ripping off their staff with sham contracting and/or wages well under the award rate. Network Aviation PIA - PPRuNe Forums
That is the domain of Fair Work Commission, not CASA, and they can't do anything if they don't know about it.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 21:00
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CASA pretending that commercial parachute operations are private is one of the more blatant, longstanding examples of corruption in the aviation sector.
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