Cirrus down Gundaroo, 06/10/23
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To be fair Airservices and the Airlines are keeping them rather tied up at the moment, GA is taking a back seat. I've heard phrases like "luck, rather than systems and skill will be the only thing stopping a serious accident in the next few years", too many low experienced personnel across the board in all areas of aviation, and no one willing to pay to fix it.
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.My actual point was for any pilot who hadn’t had the opportunity to experience a fully developed spin, to go and do the training.
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My actual point was for any pilot who hadn’t had the opportunity to experience a fully developed spin, to go and do the training
[QUOTE=43Inches;11520204 I could go on about several other situations that tend to send instructors to seek mental professionals,.[/QUOTE]
Sorry for the drift but I'd love to hear more...apart from students complaining about the costs..
Sorry for the drift but I'd love to hear more...apart from students complaining about the costs..
PS I forgot about the students who have no idea about personal hygiene, like toothpaste or deodorant.
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...or the old 'my BFR is due tomorrow and I need it done because I'm taking the wife and kids on a trip around the mountains this weekend and I've only done 2 hours in the last 2 years but I've got hundreds of hours so I won't need more than a couple of circuits to be up to speed'.
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students who have no idea about personal hygiene, like toothpaste or deodorant
I remember as a grade two many years ago a grade three came to me and asked if I could take over the training of one of their students. As they were not particularly busy I asked why. They told me the student was a heavy smoker, coffee drinker, and probably consumed a lot of wine and garlic for most dinners, they were progressing fine but the instructor could not stand being within 10 meters of him due to the smell. Having smoked in the past and enjoying a coffee myself, I thought it can't be that bad, just a non smoking younger instructor not liking the stale smoke odor. I was wrong. On first meeting this gentleman he appeared well groomed, then he opened his mouth to speak, several obviously rotten teeth and gnarly looking gums, and a smell emanating that could only be described as several dead things that had other things crawl inside them and die, mixed with some awful cheese, coffee and stale smoke. Just speaking to him in open air was nauseating, inside the aircraft I'm sure I was passing in and out of consciousness. Needless to say I avoided flying with this person ever again.
We all have to learn 43, back in the days of R & R took the new spouse to the Bourbon & Beef Steak in the Cross, had a garlic steak did I, last ever as the better half was not amused for the following week, gee that stuff hangs about, good for your health though they say.
Every pilot, trainee or otherwise should learn fully developed spins and recovery therefrom.
Get into a spin and never having been there will most likely be a fatal outcome.
Get into a spin and never having been there will most likely be a fatal outcome.
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Thousands of pilots have been through entire careers without spin training and survived. Spin avoidance is far more important than recovery as some types will not recover, or recovery takes so much altitude that you just don't have. The point being, don't go anywhere near stall/spin entry conditions especially when low. The stats are just not there to back up that spin recovery training will make that much of a dent in accident statistics, in Australia anyway. If you then mandate spinning, inevitably aircraft will be lost practicing in 'failed to recover' scenarios. I've heard enough "there I was" stories where a C152 Aerobat or the like has not wanted to come out of a spin and recovery effected at tree top height, after using power, rocking and so on. It would not have taken much for those stories to become accidents and ATSB entries.
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I’ve heard similar Aerobat stories on multiple occasions. Also ones like, “the Aerobat poh said no more than 5? spins, so we tried 15” or similar. (Not personally sure what the max recommended number is)
Thousands of pilots have been through entire careers without spin training and survived. Spin avoidance is far more important than recovery as some types will not recover, or recovery takes so much altitude that you just don't have
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The condition of the wreckage could also be the contributing factor. There could simply be such limited evidence available that any more than a short investigation isn’t possible.
12 pages of speculation and analysis for this accident. Yet the Jabiru at Stanthorpe on the 19th gets zero interest.
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Perhaps because there is nothing to discuss, a Jabiru bit the dust is all that is known thus far, nothing to conjecture upon, ran out of fuel, structural failure, engine failure, medical event? Don't know Merv nor ever heard of him, but RIP to a good man from what has been said..