Radio/ATC etiquette and professionalism
The way I read it he was poking fun at the QF guy for transmitting on guard and saying “on guard”, he was implying it wasn’t a needed comment hence he put the slapping face emoji in there……..
I don’t agree with his assessment and I’ve stated why.
he is being a smart ass basically.
I don’t agree with his assessment and I’ve stated why.
he is being a smart ass basically.
Best bit of advice I got from my on the job instructor when doing my initial ATCO training was "the busier the sector, the slower you need to speak. It reduces repeats/corrections, and gives you time to think".
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Also sticking the microphone inside your throat or up against your lips may feel comforting but it just results in comms that are overloaded with interference and basically unintelligible.
Ever seen someone push the mic closer to their mouth and exasperatedly exhort their precious words even more badly?
That's hhwwhaaat I'm talking about.
Ever seen someone push the mic closer to their mouth and exasperatedly exhort their precious words even more badly?
That's hhwwhaaat I'm talking about.
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Just flew across the central third of the US today (about 930 mi) with a bit of weather diversion) on a single leg, and heard what sounded like the same guy say “On guard” three times while I was monitoring 121.5 when I wasn’t doing anything else over the 3.5 hr flight.
Radio works fine, never heard any other Guard transmissions, center didn’t seem to be looking for anybody.
(Truly, the biggest reason I monitor [other than regs] it is to help center find the RJ’s that miss their handoffs)
Should we consider the term “Radio Karens”?
Radio works fine, never heard any other Guard transmissions, center didn’t seem to be looking for anybody.
(Truly, the biggest reason I monitor [other than regs] it is to help center find the RJ’s that miss their handoffs)
Should we consider the term “Radio Karens”?
Parenthetically,
i would Postulate that “Position and Hold”
(After stating “ready for takeoff”)
is more descriptive than “Line up and Wait” (which might indicate to the uninitiated to do something else before getting out on the runway as instructed)
i would Postulate that “Position and Hold”
(After stating “ready for takeoff”)
is more descriptive than “Line up and Wait” (which might indicate to the uninitiated to do something else before getting out on the runway as instructed)
Got called by an Asian Air Defence controller in a reasonably sensitive area on Guard one day. I started to respond with position and details (all legit). Could hardly get a further word in edgeways after the Guard Police erupted 🙄.
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They also took away our succinct flight plan forms (for domestic use) and imposed universal ICAO idiocy about the same time.
I'm not saying ICAO is perfect - far from it - but...
When we analyse basic grammar, the words "position" and "hold" are capable of a variety of meanings - they can be nouns and verbs - but the words "line up" and "wait" have fewer meanings. English-speaking countries are generally the worst at it, these days.
When we analyse basic grammar, the words "position" and "hold" are capable of a variety of meanings - they can be nouns and verbs - but the words "line up" and "wait" have fewer meanings. English-speaking countries are generally the worst at it, these days.
I'm not saying ICAO is perfect - far from it - but...
When we analyse basic grammar, the words "position" and "hold" are capable of a variety of meanings - they can be nouns and verbs - but the words "line up" and "wait" have fewer meanings. English-speaking countries are generally the worst at it, these days.
When we analyse basic grammar, the words "position" and "hold" are capable of a variety of meanings - they can be nouns and verbs - but the words "line up" and "wait" have fewer meanings. English-speaking countries are generally the worst at it, these days.
But we have more ops than the rest of you guys combined, and somehow “english” ended up as the international language of aviation, and everybody wants to fly in our airspace, so we’ll do our best to accommodate you.
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This is where people from English-speaking countries would say: "I couldn't care less", because the rules about aviation air-to-air- phraseology turn out to be what they happen to be from time to time and we'll all just get on with complying with them.
But in the good ol' USA, I'm apparently supposed to say: "I could care less", in order to convey my intention that I couldn't care less. Go figure.
But in the good ol' USA, I'm apparently supposed to say: "I could care less", in order to convey my intention that I couldn't care less. Go figure.
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One of the worst cases of R/T indiscipline I heard was one dark and busy night at JFK when the ground controller shouted
“OK, EVRYBODDYSHADDUP!!!!!!”
Said it all really.
Mog
“OK, EVRYBODDYSHADDUP!!!!!!”
Said it all really.
Mog
Drain Bamaged
