Western Sydney International & Bankstown
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Western Sydney International & Bankstown
Is Bankstown airport doomed ?
The recently released preliminary flightpaths for WSI seem to block any westward routes from YSBI.
The training-area D556B will vanish because WSI is in its' centre and D556A will probably lose its' top half.
The recently released preliminary flightpaths for WSI seem to block any westward routes from YSBI.
The training-area D556B will vanish because WSI is in its' centre and D556A will probably lose its' top half.
No
Yes.
There's been a fair bit of discussion on this sad and sorry topic here: Qantas, Jetstar confirm flights from Western Sydney Airport but feel free to continue as you wish.
There's been a fair bit of discussion on this sad and sorry topic here: Qantas, Jetstar confirm flights from Western Sydney Airport but feel free to continue as you wish.
What an absolute ******* embarrassment, there will be NOWHERE in Sydney to do flight training come Badgery's. Biggest city in Australia, if you want to learn how to fly you're gunna have to move regional or interstate.
I'd be suprized if Bankstown does survive, everything it does can be consolidated to WSI, it's current location is squeezed in the middle of the two and with very little airspace. It would make more sense to add a short, second runway to WSI for GA types and send the private/freight/aeromeds there. Training is definitely doomed with a training area more than 30 minutes transit, I can't see YSBK surviving with that sort of cost impost on students and operators.
I'd be suprized if Bankstown does survive, everything it does can be consolidated to WSI, it's current location is squeezed in the middle of the two and with very little airspace. It would make more sense to add a short, second runway to WSI for GA types and send the private/freight/aeromeds there. Training is definitely doomed with a training area more than 30 minutes transit, I can't see YSBK surviving with that sort of cost impost on students and operators.
As for flight training, hey if Camden is too far to drive, I'm sure you'd be welcome at Moorabbin (what's left of it..)
The WSI master plan already has a second runway planed for future construction, if they had any sense they would make a small one suited for all SBK GA operators and build a GA precinct that can generate income until they need the 2nd runway expansion in 50 years or whatever. That would keep operators segregated both in the air and on the ground.
The WSI master plan already has a second runway planed for future construction, if they had any sense they would make a small one suited for all SBK GA operators and build a GA precinct that can generate income until they need the 2nd runway expansion in 50 years or whatever. That would keep operators segregated both in the air and on the ground.
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Mornin' Dick et al,
I think you're confusing 'our authorities' with 'other authorities' who actually know what they are doing..........
Bye BK .
No cheers here........
I think you're confusing 'our authorities' with 'other authorities' who actually know what they are doing..........
Bye BK .
No cheers here........
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Perhaps this is normal for government-funded projects (I wouldn't know) but in the private sector one usually has to provide all the paperwork up front to get a planning permit. For this one, it seems the Federal Government bought the land, WSI Corporation was given approval to start the design/build process and with the build half-complete they only now think about generating an EIS that includes noise impacts from flight path planning they haven't really thought much about?!?
It's all very confusing.. for sure there'll be a few dents here and there before it's finally open for business.
I’m sure the needs of a new build major capital city airport bringing in billions of $$$$$$ of revenue over its life would trump the needs of little old Bankstown……..sad but necessary I’m afraid.
Bankstown will work it out.
Bankstown will work it out.
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Good question. The mix of government "requirements" and private enterprise makes WSI an interesting project. For the longest time it was a slowly-developing train wreck only maybe now just coming back on the rails - maybe.
Perhaps this is normal for government-funded projects (I wouldn't know) but in the private sector one usually has to provide all the paperwork up front to get a planning permit. For this one, it seems the Federal Government bought the land, WSI Corporation was given approval to start the design/build process and with the build half-complete they only now think about generating an EIS that includes noise impacts from flight path planning they haven't really thought much about?!?
It's all very confusing.. for sure there'll be a few dents here and there before it's finally open for business.
Perhaps this is normal for government-funded projects (I wouldn't know) but in the private sector one usually has to provide all the paperwork up front to get a planning permit. For this one, it seems the Federal Government bought the land, WSI Corporation was given approval to start the design/build process and with the build half-complete they only now think about generating an EIS that includes noise impacts from flight path planning they haven't really thought much about?!?
It's all very confusing.. for sure there'll be a few dents here and there before it's finally open for business.
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I absolutely agree with ACMS. The new airport in Sydney needs to be built to continue to support the cities growth and the simple fact is that Bankstown is in the way of this and is of far lesser concern.
If we're going to direct any efforts surrounding this I'd recommend that telling them to consider Bankstown in their planning of the Airports design or operations is utter folly and will lead nowhere. Instead, we should be pressuring the Government to put together funding for the re-location of the various organisations that call Bankstown home. This only seems fair, they are removing their place of operations to support what is a financial asset being created. It's not too dissimilar to the Government deciding to build a highway through a person's home, they don't just turn up one day with bulldozers and tell them too bad, they buy it at a "Fair rate".
If we're going to direct any efforts surrounding this I'd recommend that telling them to consider Bankstown in their planning of the Airports design or operations is utter folly and will lead nowhere. Instead, we should be pressuring the Government to put together funding for the re-location of the various organisations that call Bankstown home. This only seems fair, they are removing their place of operations to support what is a financial asset being created. It's not too dissimilar to the Government deciding to build a highway through a person's home, they don't just turn up one day with bulldozers and tell them too bad, they buy it at a "Fair rate".
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Hence as said before they should really have added a GA runway where the second runway will be, just as an interim as the second runway is probably 50 years off anyway. Add the necessary infrastructure for the GA charter/aeromeds/freight even private parking to use that and segregate ops. Training is going to be uneconomical apart from maybe navigation PPL/CPL/IFR training. Once those operators are relocated YSBK has next to no purpose, as well as the operators now getting access to ILS and GBAS etc...
And as said before, there's no political will nor capability to do it. The mob currently running the show are having a hard enough time building a passenger terminal and a serviceable runway as it is.. there's no way they could handle throwing GA into the mix - they'd go into meltdown!
Besides, even if they did, the landing fees and fuel surcharge would make this the most expensive GA airport in Australia.
There's no way the NSW Government is going to pay anything to relocate anyone away from Bankstown.. they'd rather it die naturally than do that.
But don't underestimate SMA - they've spent quite a few $$$ lately improving infrastructure around the place and have enough government support and enough established on-airport leaseholders wanting to stay that Bankstown, as an airport, isn't going away anytime soon. It may get smaller if they dig up a runway or two and sell the land to pay their bills and may eventually disappear if WSI proves as popular as some claim, but that's a really big maybe and isn't for decades yet anyway.
Besides, even if they did, the landing fees and fuel surcharge would make this the most expensive GA airport in Australia.
If we're going to direct any efforts surrounding this I'd recommend that telling them to consider Bankstown in their planning of the Airports design or operations is utter folly and will lead nowhere. Instead, we should be pressuring the Government to put together funding for the re-location of the various organisations that call Bankstown home. This only seems fair, they are removing their place of operations to support what is a financial asset being created. It's not too dissimilar to the Government deciding to build a highway through a person's home, they don't just turn up one day with bulldozers and tell them too bad, they buy it at a "Fair rate".
But don't underestimate SMA - they've spent quite a few $$$ lately improving infrastructure around the place and have enough government support and enough established on-airport leaseholders wanting to stay that Bankstown, as an airport, isn't going away anytime soon. It may get smaller if they dig up a runway or two and sell the land to pay their bills and may eventually disappear if WSI proves as popular as some claim, but that's a really big maybe and isn't for decades yet anyway.
Last edited by PiperCameron; 3rd Jul 2023 at 04:48.
There's no way the NSW Government is going to pay anything to relocate anyone away from Bankstown.. they'd rather it die naturally than do that.
One proposal for a relocation of Jandakot was exactly that, the sale of the original site covering the cost of the new airport and relocation. That was ended as the businesses did not want to be significantly further away from Perth, especially the aeromedical services, as well as the new site having significant opposition to a new/busy airport at that location.
The truth is, just as they do for most infrastructure projects, successive governments have let our major cities outgrow the need for their airports. For WSI to succeed, it really should have been built last century when there was nothing but cows and perhaps a few sheep around to wonder what the fuss was all about.
PC. WSI was thought about last Centuary. It’s just that with the wheels of bureaucracy and political rocks in the cogs
it takes decades to come to fruition. Albo was dead against it way back when.
since Oz has never had a national infrastructure plan for aviation and airports its just ad hoc, cobble up as we go.
She’ll be right..with muck ups and mega bucks.
it takes decades to come to fruition. Albo was dead against it way back when.
since Oz has never had a national infrastructure plan for aviation and airports its just ad hoc, cobble up as we go.
She’ll be right..with muck ups and mega bucks.
If you want to explore the possibilities placed on the table earlier in the discussion, you would find the General Aviation Study Sydney Region (GASSR) 1986 (if I remember the title and date correctly) and, probably not as accessible, if at all, the Defence proposal concerning Richmond of the same year. The NSW RAPAC meetings that year were full of fun!
Gne.
Gne.
Last edited by Gne; 4th Jul 2023 at 10:20. Reason: Remembered the correct title