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Old 28th Jun 2023, 08:48
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Originally Posted by topend3
Love all these people moaning about the "devastation"some noise will cause them, it's hardly a surprise, the site was planned for an airport about 70 years ago. The NIMBY brigade well and truly alive
Perhaps best not tell them about all these supersonic jets in production soon.

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Old 28th Jun 2023, 10:41
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Won't take long to prove you wrong cobba. Saying KSA is closest to most people in Sydney is horse****, most people just want to get the **** out of an airport and get home once they've grabbed their bags, KSA doesn't lend itself to that. Not saying it's going to overtake KSA anytime soon, but for where i need to go in Sydney, it'll be the western airport for me.
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Old 28th Jun 2023, 13:28
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Won't take long to prove you wrong cobba. Saying KSA is closest to most people in Sydney is horse****, most people just want to get the **** out of an airport and get home once they've grabbed their bags, KSA doesn't lend itself to that. Not saying it's going to overtake KSA anytime soon, but for where i need to go in Sydney, it'll be the western airport for me.
Even for someone closer to WSI, whats the flight frequency to anywhere going to be like VS KSA? Saving a bit of time driving to Mascot is negated if there are only a couple of departures a day vs hourly.

Id say Mascot is closer/more accessible to most in Sydney. The CBD, anywhere East, and the Shire, Innerwest, lower north north shore for a start. Oh KSA at least has a proper public rail network through it too.

Agree KSA is a dump, but that influences anyone's decision to use it as a Sydney/Australian gateway by about nought.
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Old 28th Jun 2023, 20:40
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Frequency matters for business travel and KSA's proximity to the Sydney CBD is exceptional, so they've got that market wrapped up tight. But for millions of people, WSI is more convenient - quicker and cheaper to drive (and park). Even the train should be quicker to Parramatta from WSI. Gotta say some of those SIDs STARs look overly 'scenic' .

Leisure travel I reckon most on any sort of budget will look at both options for international and probably also domestic, so there's bound to be decent competition. And at last you can have dinner or drinks after work in Brisbane in summer and get a late flight home to Sydney.
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Old 29th Jun 2023, 00:17
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Even for someone closer to WSI, whats the flight frequency to anywhere going to be like VS KSA? Saving a bit of time driving to Mascot is negated if there are only a couple of departures a day vs hourly.
For that, it's worth a comparison of OOL vs BNE. If I've meetings in a Gold Coast hotel someplace, flight frequency and timing can often make the difference between either flying MEL-OOL (Jetstar, anyone?) or opting to fly MEL-BNE and driving down on that treacherous parking lot they call a freeway.

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Frequency matters for business travel and KSA's proximity to the Sydney CBD is exceptional, so they've got that market wrapped up tight. But for millions of people, WSI is more convenient - quicker and cheaper to drive (and park). Even the train should be quicker to Parramatta from WSI. Gotta say some of those SIDs STARs look overly 'scenic'
So what you're really saying is that WSI is only for holiday travel? Here's a slogan: If you've time to spare... choose WSI!
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Old 29th Jun 2023, 00:31
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The Greens will go into cardiac arrest the day a supersonic jet ever lands downunder.
They already land in Australia, and even carry bombs and missiles...

The NIMBYs don't even notice when military hardware comes through Melbourne and Sydney on pitstops, to them it's seeing a plane that causes the angst, they rarely actually hear them. That being said some aircraft like A330s make a seriously annoying howl when they power up after descent, this is really apparent in Melbourne/Sydney where the stars force you down low so the jets can't just glide all the way to final. On a still night the howl can wake you up from sleep, if it's windy or a weekend you won't hear the noises at all over the wind and burnouts.
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Old 29th Jun 2023, 12:16
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
The Greens will go into cardiac arrest the day a supersonic jet ever lands downunder.
They're too late by several decades but their bearded, mungbean forebears were probably onto it.


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Old 30th Jun 2023, 02:11
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
They already land in Australia, and even carry bombs and missiles...

The NIMBYs don't even notice when military hardware comes through Melbourne and Sydney on pitstops, to them it's seeing a plane that causes the angst, they rarely actually hear them. That being said some aircraft like A330s make a seriously annoying howl when they power up after descent, this is really apparent in Melbourne/Sydney where the stars force you down low so the jets can't just glide all the way to final. On a still night the howl can wake you up from sleep, if it's windy or a weekend you won't hear the noises at all over the wind and burnouts.
That sound is duct howl from the round fuel vent openings. Common to the A320 family too. You can try it at home by blowing over a coke bottle.
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Old 30th Jun 2023, 02:35
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That sound is duct howl from the round fuel vent openings. Common to the A320 family too. You can try it at home by blowing over a coke bottle.
".. from the round fuel vent openings"? You sure about that??
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
".. from the round fuel vent openings"? You sure about that??
No, not 100%, but I was told that by an acquaintance at Airbus. They are the relief ports for the surge tanks. I live under a former STAR feeder fix and used to hear A320s howl with doppler shift when they would be performing an idle descent, so its not related to power transients. (Old STARS without many crossing restrictions).

When I used to preflight the A330 I would sometimes wonder at the round opening in the otherwise quite refined wing.

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Old 30th Jun 2023, 11:48
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What the 320 does have is a very distinctive sound when they throw the speedbrakes out. Never heard the same sound from the 737.
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Old 30th Jun 2023, 16:46
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LOL. you are so WRONG
Well, it wouldn’t be the first time. I wrote in good faith, and am happy to be corrected. My long-ago type rating was free so I can’t get my money back.
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Old 1st Jul 2023, 01:16
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I'm pretty sure the noise I've heard is the engine spool up, I hear similar noise while they taxi around. I've also heard the airbrake sound on the 320s it is audible, but less of an annoyance than the howl, some 320s sound like Tie fighters when taxiing around.
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