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Old 4th Mar 2023, 11:26
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I have a friend who keeps his 6-seat single at Washington-Dulles International
I've got a mate who owns a hangar on General Mitchell, Milwaukee. Fly's his RV in and out whenever he wants and actually gets treated with respect as GA participant.
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But there's not enough demand for a GA field next door, and not enough profit to pay for it..
GA Companies could be making a killing after years of pain, ferrying in and out attendees today and tomorrow
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I went on Thursday. Brilliant show. Probably the best Aussie air show I have ever been to.
Walking inside the C5 was a highlight
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Originally Posted by Dick Smith
I went on Thursday. Brilliant show. Probably the best Aussie air show I have ever been to.
Walking inside the C5 was a highlight
You’re not wrong there Dick, the tail on that thing feels like it’s 10 stories high when you’re under it!

I also went Thursday but took the wife and kids today.

Today (Sunday), 1 hour and 15 minutes each way from Oakleigh (57kms) front door of home to carpark, but… we did leave early… 6am and 2:30pm and avoided all traffic.

If you’re a pilot, go on the trade days and save the weekend sessions for families would be my advice. Less flying on the trade days, but higher quality acts.

I missed the GA area on Thursday but was pleasantly surprised today as to how large it was.
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I went on Thursday. Brilliant show. Probably the best Aussie air show I have ever been to.
Walking inside the C5 was a highlight
RAAF Richmond 1988 has never been surpassed.

Even got to walk inside the C5ski.
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Originally Posted by Dick Smith
I went on Thursday. Brilliant show. Probably the best Aussie air show I have ever been to.
Walking inside the C5 was a highlight
Agree Dick. Was actually impressed. Always is great talking to pilots and co from all over the world in many different environments.

Shout out to all those controllers also, one heck of a job to manage and co ordinate all the traffic, we listened to the live stream today while watching the displays, really shows the task at hand which is not easy, certainly has its heated moments, including a PAN which I heard today. Probably not great communication with that Jetstar arrival this arvo, bit more concise communication would have prevented that confusion, don’t stress I was as lost as you were in what they wanted you to do which made no sense originally.
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Do they fully control them or do they just announce the “airshow time +/- X minutes” as they do at some shows?

Which aircraft declared a PAN, do you recall?

It was bloody hot today. I pity those that went there 4 years ago when it was well into the 40’s.
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They just cleared them for the takeoff/display, then cleared them to land. Many displays would be talking to each other on the tower frequency while it was underway, some interesting techniques used. If the display was dragging on a bit tower would ask them how much longer. Airservices have the supplement out which gives more detail around some operational requirements within the display zone. The only restriction I heard on a display was not above FL*** as someone was holding above it. The restricted area was largely traffic free aside the holding areas while the fast jet displays got underway. Few aircraft operating at Barwon Heads and inbound RPT was about the only aircraft within the zone.

I think the PAN was a helicopter, was hoping someone had more detail on that. Wasn’t completely looped in at the time, but something was overheating and they wanted to land on Alpha right away I recall.

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RAAF Richmond 1988 has never been surpassed.
Agreed. I can still remember the RAF Tornado running along the crowd line at around a 100’ in full afterburner. The ears are still ringing!
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Agreed. I can still remember the RAF Tornado running along the crowd line at around a 100’ in full afterburner. The ears are still ringing!
The Koreans did that solo yesterday. It was so fast nobody saw it coming from right to left whilst the main bunch was distracting off to the left. It was incredibly loud and looked like it was 50 ft away… am hoping someone caught it and puts it on YouTube. At a guess it would have breached every single air display guideline. It was super quick and deafening for literally a second as it flashed past. Children were crying and the adults were literally stunned.
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Yep. That pass was insane.

I’d seen the Koreans during the week so had head down in phone for a bit…. Jumped a mile. It wasn’t very far away and I was on the front fence. Reckon it was just closer to the crowd than the line of gable markers at 150’

Note to schedulers. Don’t put the Roulettes after the Black Eagles. With no disrespect to the Roulettes’ skills, many people felt them a bit of a let down coming straight after the Black Eagles.

RAAF PR machine is amazing. Here kids grab a RAAF lanyard then go to each aircraft type and grab an aircraft pin to complete the set (the place for each type all conveniently outline on the lanyard). Absolutely brilliant.
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Enjoyed the show, Friday & Saturday
Train& shuttle service went smoothly
Can anyone tell me why Connie wasn’t there?
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The Koreans did that solo yesterday. It was so fast nobody saw it coming from right to left whilst the main bunch was distracting off to the left. It was incredibly loud and looked like it was 50 ft away… am hoping someone caught it and puts it on YouTube. At a guess it would have breached every single air display guideline. It was super quick and deafening for literally a second as it flashed past. Children were crying and the adults were literally stunned.
I remember being taken to an airshow at RAAF Edinburgh in the 1960's, and a display by Mirages did similar. While a couple were distracting ahead of the crowd, another disappeared then did a fast low pass over the crowd from behind. Yes, scared the living daylights out of me and everyone else.

Another I remember there was repeated calls over the PA for someone to move their car as it was blocking access to something, more frantic each time. Got the crowd in - someone's in trouble -

Then a Chinook appeared with what looked like an old Morris Minor slung underneath, pass in front of the crowd then "accidentally" drop the car

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Can anyone tell me why Connie wasn’t there?
Because no one wanted to pay for it. The same reason the only flying warbirds there were provided by the RAAF.
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Because no one wanted to pay for it. The same reason the only flying warbirds there were provided by the RAAF.
And never having seen both a Mustang and a Spit flying together at Avalon before (and I've been a few times in the past) I'm glad they did.

Having only ever seen them as gate guards and partly-complete static displays, a highlight for me was watching the Canberra start up and do it's routine. If that's what they do at Temora, I must get up there sometime - that was awesome!
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Looks like the road traffic management has not learnt from previous years.
We were staying in Anglesea. Drove out of the carpark on the exit road to an left/right intersection. One arrow pointed right to Melbourne the other left to Geelong. Cop on duty would not let me turn left.
When I explained why I wanted to turn left and that I did not know where the Melbourne direction would take me, his retort was to us the Melways.
What the hell was a Melways?
He insisted that I take the road to Melbourne.
We eventually found our way yo Anglesea.

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The Koreans did that solo yesterday. It was so fast nobody saw it coming from right to left whilst the main bunch was distracting off to the left. It was incredibly loud and looked like it was 50 ft away… am hoping someone caught it and puts it on YouTube. At a guess it would have breached every single air display guideline. It was super quick and deafening for literally a second as it flashed past. Children were crying and the adults were literally stunned.
An unexpected low pass from a fast and loud fighter? Truly cutting-edge airshow stuff (sorry about the sarcasm).

When I were a lad….

But tell the young folk these days and they won’t believe you!
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An unexpected low pass from a fast and loud fighter
RAAF have a party trick at the dusk Mindil Beach airshow at the completion of the Pitch Black exercise, everyone sitting on the sand dunes watching the fly past in front over the water when a fast jet arrives from behind at 250', over the crowd, pulls to the vertical, all that can be seen is the glowing orb of the afterburner in the twilight gloom. Magic.
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RAAF have a party trick at the dusk Mindil Beach airshow at the completion of the Pitch Black exercise, everyone sitting on the sand dunes watching the fly past in front over the water when a fast jet arrives from behind at 250', over the crowd, pulls to the vertical, all that can be seen is the glowing orb of the afterburner in the twilight gloom. Magic.
Yeah, they've been doing that one for decades (I last saw it at a Townsville Skyshow) and it never fails to amaze especially on a clear night.. a fiery orb fading to a tiny bright dot against a backdrop of stars. I'm glad to hear they're still doing it.

The Korean pass was a little different since it wasn't even the finale - just part of their airshow sequence. Definitely a WTF moment!!! I, along with at least half the crowd, ducked and I have absolutely no idea where he went. I reckon a few in the crowd might've needed to check their trousers after that one.
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A long time ago I watched an airshow at RAAF Laverton from the top of a tower the firies used to dry their hoses (not a euphemism…) near the runway. I looked down at the FIII’s (very) low pass.
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