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3 lost west of Brisbane Monday 29-8-22

Old 20th Dec 2022, 07:45
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post
I’m impressed that they managed to take on 263 litres of fuel and be airborne 11 minutes after landing.

That speaks of someone in a huge rush. Would barely allow for a restroom stop.
Um… Why would you take on 263 litres for a flight from Dalby to Archerfield with a slight diversion ?

Perhaps a miss-print.

Three on board with luggage = …?
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Old 20th Dec 2022, 08:43
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi View Post
UmÖ Why would you take on 263 litres for a flight from Dalby to Archerfield with a slight diversion ?

Perhaps a miss-print.

Three on board with luggage = Ö?
182 with an IO540, I don't think weight was an issue.
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Old 20th Dec 2022, 08:54
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Having never flown up there, how hard is it to get a clearance off the Amberley mob?
Depends, on what they've got going on. They're generally a helpful mob.

For a VFR pilot, their airspace can be complex and intimidating. The terrain in that area is pretty intimidating as well if you're trying to get from the west to the eastern side of the range. There is lots of gotcha terrain as well, places where you think you can get through. It's just not the type of terrain you want to be messing around with in low vis and cloud.

It's pretty simple getting over the range, if you're IFR.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 01:29
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post
182 with an IO540, I don't think weight was an issue.
Still seems a lot of fuel to be lugging around. Iím thinking miss-print.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 01:45
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi View Post
Still seems a lot of fuel to be lugging around. Iím thinking miss-print.
I honestly doubt it, the fuel records would be very clear from the bowser. Itís one of the most important facts in a report like this, especially if the total quantity is as above.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 02:26
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Still seems a lot of fuel to be lugging around. I’m thinking miss-print.
A misprint in the report or a misprint in the fuel records that the ATSB would have obtained for the investigation?
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 03:05
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I don’t see anything unusual in the aircraft having been filled with fuel, if that’s what happened. So what if it was a short hop to YBAF? I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I haven’t filled tanks to full. It was a 182, not a 152 or 737.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 04:04
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It was a 182, not a 152 or 737.
I agree. One of my favourite aircraft - full fuel, four people and some luggage. Simple flight-planning.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 05:26
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No mention if the aircraft had a working AP.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 06:54
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Is a serviceable A/P required for a VFR charter flight?

In any event, I agree with the earlier point made by Lookleft about the usefulness of gadgets once the pilot appeared to engage the aircraft in ‘scud running’.
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No but a working AP might well have helped. Plug in the AP, call for assistance from ATC and get above the hill tops going east bound. Worry about the paperwork after one arrives alive on the ground. Then confess and take up that long standing ATC offer 'We are here to help!'.
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I agree. Why an IFR qualified-but-not-current pilot did not just call Centre and say: “I’m in the gloop and I need help to get to non-gloop” is beyond me. But I have the same level of beyonded-ness about why a commercial pilot employed by a commercial operator in a commercial operation wasn’t IFR current and filing IFR flight plans in these kinds of circumstances. It’s not like they were doing sightseeing flights of Lake Eyre.
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call for assistance from ATC and get above the hill tops going east bound.
If you haven't got 'a plan in the system' then you are like the bloke that walks into a lift with fresh dog turd in the treads of your adidas.
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But I have the same level of beyonded-ness about why a commercial pilot employed by a commercial operator in a commercial operation wasn’t IFR current and filing IFR flight plans in these kinds of circumstances. It’s not like they were doing sightseeing flights of Lake Eyre.
Perhaps because single engine piston charter aircraft are restricted to VFR ops. If the customer doesn’t want to pay for an IFR twin it’s up to the VFR pilot to make the tough call and park it.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 20:36
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According to the report, the aircraft was equipped for flight under the IFR. My point is I don’t understand why the pilot didn’t just get on the dials, climb and make a pan call. He may not have been current, but that doesn’t mean he was completely incapable of a wings-level climb on the dials.

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Old 21st Dec 2022, 22:46
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A misprint in the report or a misprint in the fuel records that the ATSB would have obtained for the investigation?
Could have been a miss-print on the report?

The pilot of the 182 were a high time helicopter pilot and would have helicopter habits ingrained. Whilst some fixed wing drivers are slobs and fillíer up to the brim every time, and even their aircraft as well, helicopter pilots on the other hand are very particular about adding any more weight then needed. Öor there may have been a further flight planned latter that he were tanking for.

Apart from the extra several hours of un-needed fuel added at Dalby I donít see anything out of the ordinary at the Dalby fuel stop. Add fuel, a rolling check run-up, and go. I see rolling check run-ups every day Iím at an airport with commercial operators.
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Quite obviously not at the time of the accident.
Obviously.

If you note the AGL heights before the actual prang, apart from a hilltop skim, you will see a lowest of 500í AGL. This were not a tree-top scud running flight.
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Did you see the photo of the impact site? Did you note the estimated bank angles? They did not see that hill coming until the last moment. If it wasn't scud running then it certainly wasn't VFR.
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Did you see the photo of the impact site? Did you note the estimated bank angles? They did not see that hill coming until the last moment. If it wasn't scud running then it certainly wasn't VFR.
Iím not ready to close my mind on the subject just yet. Are you..?
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What are your theories, FB? Honest question.
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