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Old 29th May 2022, 10:53
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Most well argued Sunfish. And I think that your point 2 would be the most important.

I'm surprised though that no-one has commented on Post# 45 by Griffo.

FWIW, I agree wholeheartedly with him.
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Old 29th May 2022, 11:22
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
43 inches;

I think a little engineering advice might help you.

1) In terms of the actual aerodynamic design of subsonic piston engined aircraft, the science is cut and dried, meaning the trade - offs are known. In other words, no one is likely to come up with an aerodynamic design that ticks all existing performance boxes and has twice the performance. Materials, Engines and avionics are a different matter. The changes in Avionics are amazing, Carbon fibre is here and there is steady incremental progress in engines. So in terms of pure technology, we are stuck with incremental improvements. I am told for example that the performance of a thirty year old Bonanza design is not too different from a Cirrus. The laws of physics don’t change much

2) The cost of certifying a new design is simply horrendous.

3) Some technological advances are not applicable to small piston engined aircraft, like variable valve timing etc. because the aircraft engine duty cycle is very different to an automobile. New battery technology, enabling greater performance and a better power to weight ratio and greater range would be a game changing stimulant for new designs.

Therefore the tendency is to leave things alone.
Engine and luxury quality of aircraft is what has caused the problem. The people that can afford to invest in GA type aircraft are not interested, as the technology is only just coming to terms with the modern world, at a time fixed wing types are being overhauled by the up and coming easy to fly drone style vehicles. In all seriousness GA needed to have car level technology and lots of automation by the late 90s to be relevant. Instead it was barely two years out of the 1950s in engine tech, comfort levels and ease of flying.

Selling luxury vehicles is not all about performance, its about styling, status, comfort and a many other things. GA aircraft are firmly in the luxury market due to cost, otherwise the only other market is training. GA lost complete touch with the elitist market it needed to maintain to have reliable sales, so its now a dying hobby or training industry. Both with not much interest in touring to make the airport network viable outside of regional airline ports bar a few lucky locations that have bucked the trends with LSA/RAA or whatever its called these days.

On point 2 that is just unfortunately lack of market problems, again as the industry died back in about 1979. It's just been rotting away since waiting for someone to finally bin it. Cirrus is a good example that there was a continued market for GA types, but too late to push the others into real competition to produce anything of substance.
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Old 30th May 2022, 10:20
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You do realise it was the conservative idiots that sold us a compromise
Since when was Turnbull a conservative? I've always thought of him as a spineless coward. Which would have him fit in nicely on the left side of politics.
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Old 30th May 2022, 10:27
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Which would have him fit in nicely on the left side of politics
Yes he contemplated joining the Labor Party at one point but settled on the Liberals. I can't remember the reasoning, but I'm sure it's in a interview he gave somewhere.
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Old 31st May 2022, 00:36
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It looks as if Labor will get a majority in its own right. (It is interesting to note that the AEC website still states that “0 of 151 House of Representatives seats have been declared”. So Australia has a new Prime Minister and other Ministers sworn in with zero seats declared one way or the other.)

Not good news for the ‘teal’ and other cross-benchers in the HoR. Subject to one possibility, the ‘teal’ and other cross-benchers should expect a courteous nod of the head by Labor members as they pass in the corridors of Parliament House, and not much more.

The one possibility is a repeat of Labor’s ‘Operation Slipper’ – that is, a defection from the opposition or cross-bench (in the case of ‘Operation Slipper’ it was Peter Slipper from the LNP) in return for some juicy reward (in Peter Slipper’s case, the Speakership) so that Labor has some ‘padding’ above a bare majority. After all, the Libs and the cross-benchers will be tempting Labor members to defect and there’s always the possibility of inconvenient coronaries. I suspect the faceless men in Labor will be looking, very carefully, at particularly the cross-bench, to see if someone’s ripe for defection ready to step up to the Speakership in the public interest. (I’d jump for joy if Bob Katter became Speaker – talk about entertaining!)

That possibility aside, the main legislative game is now the Senate (assuming the AEC eventually declares HoR seats in the way the pundits are predicting they will go). I predict that Labor and the Coalition will vote together on many Bills in the Senate.
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Old 31st May 2022, 01:16
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The LNP have to learn to negotiate first. I predict Labor and various independents will vote together on many Bills in the Senate.
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Old 31st May 2022, 04:08
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When the Howard coalition government legislation defining a marriage to be something only between a man and a woman hit the Senate, do you think Penny Wong and her Labor colleagues voted against it? You’d think they’d vote against it.

She and they didn’t. Only 7 noes, none of them Labor.
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Old 31st May 2022, 08:40
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The LNP have to learn to negotiate first.
You mean like the Labor party negotiates with an opposition? Since when has an opposition of any flavour negotiated when they don't have to? I doubt Labor will seek out LNP votes in the senate, they won't need them.
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Old 31st May 2022, 08:45
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Yes he contemplated joining the Labor Party at one point
Yup, he was a Labor coward through and through. Not man enough to stand up for his principles and now look at him. Bitter and twisted and betraying 'his' party.
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Old 31st May 2022, 12:21
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Catherine King MP

New minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government.
Has promised an Aviation White Paper.
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Old 31st May 2022, 13:24
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I'm not the one claiming the LNP will work with Labor in the Senate.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 01:39
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It's pretty obvious how few people monitor the proceedings and resolutions of the Federal Parliament. That's why they don't know how often the Coalition and Labor vote together to defeat cross-bench legislative proposals or amendments in the Senate.

As I noted earlier, the acid test will now be whether Labor introduces legislation for a federal ICAC with real teeth and jurisdiction to investigate retrospectively. Both Labor and the Coalition have plenty of skeletons in the closet (though the latter has more) and would prefer a cuddly puppy rather than watchdog ICAC. Now that Labor has a majority in its own right in the HoR, the cross-bench can't force through its own ICAC legislation nor force through amendments to Labor's proposed legislation to toughen it up. And when the legislation hits the Senate, the cross-bench there can huff and puff and fulminate at how flawed the legislation is, but if Labor and the Coalition choose to vote together....

But I live in hope that I will be proved wrong and that Labor will walk the talk on a federal ICAC. We shall see what we shall see.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 06:23
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Given Labor has been out of power for a decade I'd expect the LNP has far more to fear from a federal ICAC, if nothing else because they've been in power and have doled out the money. Of course bribery and corruption come in many forms so they'll be far from the only targets.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 09:02
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It's pretty obvious how few people monitor the proceedings and resolutions of the Federal Parliament. That's why they don't know how often the Coalition and Labor vote together to defeat cross-bench legislative proposals or amendments in the Senate.
Yes, of course they will vote together to defeat moron green legislation.

But they won't vote together on budget matters for instance..

Le Pingouin, bit naive isn't it? One party is more corrupt than the other? Serious? They are all as bad as each other. And if the new commission has retrospective investigation power, we'll see that.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 10:49
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tossbag, please reread what I've written. One party has been in power for the last decade, that is what I'm saying. That means they've been the ones with the power and influence over funding thus more subject to bribery and corruption. Very hard to ignore departmental advice and favour your mates if you aren't in government.
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 13:20
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Now that is roughly the cost of one nuclear powered submarine
But if we park a nuclear sub in each capital city and plug it into the grid .............
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 20:05
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tossbag, please reread what I've written. One party has been in power for the last decade, that is what I'm saying. That means they've been the ones with the power and influence over funding thus more subject to bribery and corruption. Very hard to ignore departmental advice and favour your mates if you aren't in government.
Yes, I get what you're saying but if the commission has retrospective powers, how far will it go back? And it's investigating State matters as well, quite a lot of Labor flavour around the country. Queensland will keep the commission quite busy and for some time.
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Old 2nd Jun 2022, 04:41
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Who knows, but the LNP has been in power for 14 of the last 20 years. It will be a federal ICAC so won't be investigating state matters.
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Old 2nd Jun 2022, 23:06
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But don’t forget: Corruption is not just a party political issue.

When an agency head engineers a restructure or review which magically results in the creation of a senior position for a mate, that’s corruption. When a senior official intervenes in a selection process to make sure his or her favoured candidate gets the promotion, that’s corruption. When purportedly open recruitment and procurement processes are run simply to legitimise a foregone conclusion, that’s corruption.

I anticipate that if a federal ICAC with real teeth is established and given jurisdiction to investigate circumstances which arose before its creation, many of the complaints will come from inside government agencies. Plenty of people with long memories know what goes on inside government agencies, but don’t trust the public interest disclosure legislation which has been described by a Federal Court judge as "technical, obtuse and intractable".

The judgment in which that statement was made arose from documents mailed by a security guard to a federal MP containing a range of allegations against high-ranking staff at the Department of Parliamentary Services, including its handling of investigations and review processes. The guard told the court there were also allegations relating to answers given in Senate estimates proceedings about a security incident. He also alleged a senior DPS officer had sought to cover up and avoid formal processes over a threat of physical violence made by a supervisor against a subordinate. He alleged multiple breaches of the parliamentary services code of conduct "including deception by providing and attempting to provide false, misleading and deliberately incomplete evidence to Senate estimates hearings and answers to questions on notice".

Plenty of very senior federal officials and retired federal officials will be sweating if a real federal ICAC is set up.

(You are correct, le P: a federal ICAC would not have jurisdiction to investigate ‘purely state’ matters.)
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Old 3rd Jun 2022, 00:34
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Australia is the world leader in 'soft' corruption, it is endemic. And the penalties for corruption in this country are a bit of a joke. Embezzle a million, spend a year in a come and go as you please prison farm, sounds like a value proposition to me.
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