Kununurra accident
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Kununurra accident
Just read a news feed that an aircraft has had an accident at Kununurra, 2 POB with serious injuries/burns reported. Can’t post the link however the info originated from the ABC.
Hope the report isn’t as bad as it sounds.
Hope the report isn’t as bad as it sounds.
:Volunteer firefighters, St John Ambulance and police are at the scene of a light plane crash in Western Australia's far north.
Two men in their 20s were in the plane near the East Kimberley Regional Airport when it ran into trouble before 9am today.
The incident was reported by a member of the public who was fishing at nearby Bandicoot Point, after witnessing the plane crashing between the river and airport.
St John Ambulance said two men were trapped in the wreckage and have life threatening injuries, including burns.
The pair have been taken to Kununurra Hospital for treatment.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau says it has been notified.
More to come"
Two men in their 20s were in the plane near the East Kimberley Regional Airport when it ran into trouble before 9am today.
The incident was reported by a member of the public who was fishing at nearby Bandicoot Point, after witnessing the plane crashing between the river and airport.
St John Ambulance said two men were trapped in the wreckage and have life threatening injuries, including burns.
The pair have been taken to Kununurra Hospital for treatment.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau says it has been notified.
More to come"
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Latest report is now saying 29-year-old and 50-year-old were on board. 29-year-old Pilot was retrieved from the crash and taken to Kununurra Hospital and awaiting RFDS to take him to Darwin but the 50-year-old became unresponsive whilst they were trying to get him out and was unable to be revived after. Claims are that it was a mail run from Broome to Kununurra. RIP and condolences to all involved.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-...bute/100996174
The man, in his 50s, was a nurse employed by the WA Country Health Service, and a passenger aboard the plane when it crashed during an attempted landing near East Kimberley Regional Airport on Saturday morning.
It's understood the plane was on fire and producing thick black smoke when volunteer firefighters, St John Ambulance and police rushed to the scene before 9am.
The 29-year-old pilot, employed by regional airline Aviair, suffered serious injuries in the crash.
The man, in his 50s, was a nurse employed by the WA Country Health Service, and a passenger aboard the plane when it crashed during an attempted landing near East Kimberley Regional Airport on Saturday morning.
It's understood the plane was on fire and producing thick black smoke when volunteer firefighters, St John Ambulance and police rushed to the scene before 9am.
The 29-year-old pilot, employed by regional airline Aviair, suffered serious injuries in the crash.
A rumour going around (and I stress that it was told to me second-hand) that the sequence started with a cabin fire caused by a lithium battery in a laptop.
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Originally Posted by Dora-9
A rumour going around (and I stress that it was told to me second-hand) that the sequence started with a cabin fire caused by a lithium battery in a laptop.
Having done a fair bit of investigation very recently into this specific hazard, I come to the conclusion that there is currently nothing available to contain a smoking battery or anything worse in a large aircraft, the fact is that absolutely nothing suitable (TSO certified) is available to contain these fires in flight.
I’ve also asked a good contact in CASA about this issue, and his response was that CASA currently have nothing approved and use the recommended advice that is currently available on their website. As far as the airlines go, their procedures are to throw the smoking device into an urn, toilet, pour water on it or worse case scenario piss on it to cool it down. Situation in a GA aircraft, you’ve got a serious emergency being a cabin fire.
This should be a game changer if it’s found that this caused the accident.
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That accident sounds awful.
Re laptop battery fires, we carry fire gloves and a heat resistant bag on board specifically for putting laptops etc in to stop the fire.
Something like this
Re laptop battery fires, we carry fire gloves and a heat resistant bag on board specifically for putting laptops etc in to stop the fire.
Something like this
Originally Posted by redsnail
That accident sounds awful.
Re laptop battery fires, we carry fire gloves and a heat resistant bag on board specifically for putting laptops etc in to stop the fire.
Something like this
Re laptop battery fires, we carry fire gloves and a heat resistant bag on board specifically for putting laptops etc in to stop the fire.
Something like this
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There’s probably other courses of action available to someone in an unpressurised aircraft. Not the least being to prise open a door/window.
Originally Posted by lucille
So, we’re not filling the sink with water and dropping the offending object in it anymore? This used to be prescribed wisdom.
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There’s probably other courses of action available to someone in an unpressurised aircraft. Not the least being to prise open a door/window.
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There’s probably other courses of action available to someone in an unpressurised aircraft. Not the least being to prise open a door/window.
The company I work for uses those same bags above, which apparently will contain the item and prevent it from filling the cabin with smoke as well as the many other hazards present with a lithium battery fire.
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
Without speculating with regards to the cause of the accident and I have no idea anyway, however I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if it was identified that the root cause of the accident was a battery fire.
Having done a fair bit of investigation very recently into this specific hazard, I come to the conclusion that there is currently nothing available to contain a smoking battery or anything worse in a large aircraft, the fact is that absolutely nothing suitable (TSO certified) is available to contain these fires in flight.
I’ve also asked a good contact in CASA about this issue, and his response was that CASA currently have nothing approved and use the recommended advice that is currently available on their website. As far as the airlines go, their procedures are to throw the smoking device into an urn, toilet, pour water on it or worse case scenario piss on it to cool it down. Situation in a GA aircraft, you’ve got a serious emergency being a cabin fire.
This should be a game changer if it’s found that this caused the accident.
Having done a fair bit of investigation very recently into this specific hazard, I come to the conclusion that there is currently nothing available to contain a smoking battery or anything worse in a large aircraft, the fact is that absolutely nothing suitable (TSO certified) is available to contain these fires in flight.
I’ve also asked a good contact in CASA about this issue, and his response was that CASA currently have nothing approved and use the recommended advice that is currently available on their website. As far as the airlines go, their procedures are to throw the smoking device into an urn, toilet, pour water on it or worse case scenario piss on it to cool it down. Situation in a GA aircraft, you’ve got a serious emergency being a cabin fire.
This should be a game changer if it’s found that this caused the accident.
None of this matters though if you don't get to in time unfortunately.
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This discussion has raised some red flags 🚩
Firsty, how is the risk of lithium battery thermal runaway or fire mitigated on an aircraft?
Gloves and Fire Containment bag. Also, the use of an atlas box or stainless steel bin receptacle will assist containment.
The very real danger is then the fumes.
Please read up on Lithium battery fires.
Water and Lithium do not mix. It does create a toxic gas. It is NOT effective as an extinguisher agent.
Edit: non flammable liquids may be used as a cooling agent for thermal runaway.
This should be covered in EP’s training.
This discussion has raised some red flags 🚩
Firsty, how is the risk of lithium battery thermal runaway or fire mitigated on an aircraft?
Gloves and Fire Containment bag. Also, the use of an atlas box or stainless steel bin receptacle will assist containment.
The very real danger is then the fumes.
Please read up on Lithium battery fires.
Water and Lithium do not mix. It does create a toxic gas. It is NOT effective as an extinguisher agent.
Edit: non flammable liquids may be used as a cooling agent for thermal runaway.
This should be covered in EP’s training.
Last edited by t_cas; 23rd Apr 2022 at 01:21.
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
Having done a fair bit of investigation very recently into this specific hazard, I come to the conclusion that there is currently nothing available to contain a smoking battery or anything worse in a large aircraft, the fact is that absolutely nothing suitable (TSO certified) is available to contain these fires in flight.
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We are probably better off starting a new thread on the potential problems of transporting batteries in aircraft, all good discussion on the subject however it’s only speculation of what may have caused the accident.
Let’s just hope that valuable lessons can be learnt from this accident, and the pilot makes a quick recovery and gets back flying, together with getting closure for the passenger’s family and friends.
Let’s just hope that valuable lessons can be learnt from this accident, and the pilot makes a quick recovery and gets back flying, together with getting closure for the passenger’s family and friends.
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We are probably better off starting a new thread on the potential problems of transporting batteries in aircraft,
I think a good idea.
Linked to Tech Log. In flight battery fires with particular interest in lithium powered devices ? - PPRuNe Forums
I think a good idea.
Linked to Tech Log. In flight battery fires with particular interest in lithium powered devices ? - PPRuNe Forums
While we can only speculate on the cause at this stage, one thing that has always concerned me is that once fire starts in an aircraft cabin there is some horribly flammable material in typical furnishings. Many years ago the certifying authorities went big on fire blocking material for seats, but it did not extend to cabinetry or sidewall panels.
