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Old 27th Dec 2020, 08:01
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Just to digress a little! I am a possible descendant of a convict being a Tasmanian👍👍👍👍👍 Maybe 4th or 5th generation?

Iím sure this will get a good response!!!!
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 09:46
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Just to digress a little! I am a possible descendant of a convict being a Tasmanian👍👍👍👍👍 Maybe 4th or 5th generation?
Ok Duck Pilot! Struth Mate, you really have the deck stacked against you there!! I mean, you know what they say about the 'criminal type.' All tarred with the same brush etc etc. And you're a Tasmanian an' all! Possible inbreeding maybe.... No.... definitely not to be trusted.... But the worst bit....You were/are a PNG bush pilot! Aren't they (we) all death defying cowboys????

Of course there's yours truly. 5th generation Aussie from fine Germanic stock. Father's side from Prussia (Great Grandfather was just over 6 foot, blonde haired and blue eyed.) and Mother's side from Silesia. 'Goosesteppers' the lot of them!

Right, now that we have exhausted all stereotypes.....


Clarifier; The above piss-take is posted with Duck Pilot's express permission. He has approved every word.
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 13:19
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Check your PMs Pinky.
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 07:22
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If you had an accident and damaged the plane do you think the authorities would say it doesnít count because you never got airborne? 10 minutes taxi time is not worth arguing about but I agree with those that say log it
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 21:04
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If you got airborne but then crashed into water, do you log anything? There was no landing.

If you are that desperate to log the time for the aborted takeoff, get a separate logbook to put all your pretend hours in.
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 21:15
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
If you got airborne but then crashed into water, do you log anything? There was no landing.
If you got airborne but then crashed into a paddock, do you log anything? There was no landing.

What if you ‘crashed’ three hours after take off?

How far do you want to take the ‘no landing’ business as an argument for not logging time?
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 22:16
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Quite a few times over the years I've not actually gotten airborne, issues during run ups in piston planes, cancelled flight/s. Returned to gate due a no-go ECAM etc, NONE where logged as that's not in the spirit of what a pilots log book is for, no flight was completed
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 04:06
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The word "landing" does not appear in the relevant definitions.

It is worth reading what the words say. There's always a risk that they mean what they say.
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 06:34
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How far do you want to take the ‘no landing’ business as an argument for not logging time?
OK, to be less subtle, LANDing is different from crashing into WATER. No LAND involved. And the book says nothing about watering, just landing.
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 09:58
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
OK, to be less subtle, LANDing is different from crashing into WATER. No LAND involved. And the book says nothing about watering, just landing.
What BOOK uses the word LANDing?
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Old 30th Dec 2020, 02:56
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the book says nothing about watering, just landing
That's because after watering there will be a landing, on the sea bed.
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Old 30th Dec 2020, 22:35
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Originally Posted by captaincorrigan View Post
Hi all,

I recently rejected a take-off prior to rotation in a C172 as PIC due to abnormal engine RPM and taxied back to parking. After performing a static full power check with an instructor, it was confirmed that it was below the POH specified take-off RPM range.
Iím just glad to see there are schools out there who are teaching static rpm these days. I come across so many pilots who arenít aware of this parameter in a fixed pitch prop or what over/under speed of this means.

Well done, btw...👍
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Old 31st Dec 2020, 05:01
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I wonder how casa would define the transition between atmospheric and space flight, how itíd be logged and who would be responsible for the regulatory oversight.

So the next topic.

logging IF time.

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Old 31st Dec 2020, 12:15
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Iím just glad to see there are schools out there who are teaching static rpm these days. I come across so many pilots who arenít aware of this parameter in a fixed pitch prop or what over/under speed of this means.
This.

Even today in the airbus, when I hit take off power I personally run down the engine guages at the start of the take off roll ... Eight, Six, Nine, Three. (and matching left/right needles).

80-something% N1, Six hundred somethingļC EGT, 90-something% N2, and 3 thousand something fuel flow. That's a personal thing, a "reasonable-ness" check not a company SOP, and if it isn't 8-6-9-3 then it's enough to trigger me to wonder why (i.e. sometimes it's 90-something% and 7 hundred somethingļC on a heavy take-off).

I notice in Low-Thrust / mis-set thrust accidents and incidents, very rarely is there recognition of the low thrust, or a trigger to do something about it. For Example: Air Florida Flight 90 (Winter Potomac river crash)
15:59:32 CAM-1 Okay, your throttles.
15:59:35 [SOUND OF ENGINE SPOOLUP]
15:59:49 CAM-1 Holler if you need the wipers.
15:59:51 CAM-1 It's spooled. Really cold here, real cold.
15:59:58 CAM-2 God, look at that thing. That don't seem right, does it? Ah, that's not right. [Presumably a comment on the thrust setting]
16:00:09 CAM-1 Yes it is, there's eighty.
16:00:10 CAM-2 Naw, I don't think that's right. Ah, maybe it is.
16:00:21 CAM-1 Hundred and twenty.
16:00:23 CAM-2 I don't know.
16:00:31 CAM-1 V1. Easy, V2.ó Transcript, Air Florida Flight 90 Cockpit Voice Recorder
The aircraft crashed into the Potomac river with two good engines - just set with low power all the way to the crash.


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