Opinion on IAA Mildura
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Many instructors incorrectly presume that just because they hold an Instrument Rating and an Instructor Rating they are permitted under the regulations to teach NVFR. To teach NVFR an instructor must also hold the FIR - NVFR Training Endorsement. CASA is aware of this misconception regarding NVFR teaching and is currently taking more of an educative approach to breaches rather than a punitive approach, which is sensible and pragmatic.
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Many instructors incorrectly presume that just because they hold an Instrument Rating and an Instructor Rating they are permitted under the regulations to teach NVFR. To teach NVFR an instructor must also hold the FIR - NVFR Training Endorsement. CASA is aware of this misconception regarding NVFR teaching and is currently taking more of an educative approach to breaches rather than a punitive approach, which is sensible and pragmatic.
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So a couple of decades or so and a lazy few hundred millions or so spent on regulatory reform, and:
- there's confusion about whether a rating is required to deliver NVFR training, and
- it’s just a paperwork issue for people who are holders of both instructor ratings and IFR ratings.
Last edited by Lead Balloon; 12th July 2020 at 11:08.
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That is a worry, Lexair. Instructors work under a HOO whose job it is to ensure that incorrect presumptions aren't made and that instructors are allocated jobs they are qualified to do.
I once worked at a school where they had an unsupervised Grade Three teaching night VFR at a remote base with no suitable alternates within an hours flight time, so this sort of thing did happen.
In this case it could be legal if the guy is doing supervised night circuits. People do 5 hours of this so they can do IFR at night, but 90 hours? Surely 90 hours of night circuits would drive anyone insane however badly they want that ATPL.
I once worked at a school where they had an unsupervised Grade Three teaching night VFR at a remote base with no suitable alternates within an hours flight time, so this sort of thing did happen.
In this case it could be legal if the guy is doing supervised night circuits. People do 5 hours of this so they can do IFR at night, but 90 hours? Surely 90 hours of night circuits would drive anyone insane however badly they want that ATPL.
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Many instructors incorrectly presume that just because they hold an Instrument Rating and an Instructor Rating they are permitted under the regulations to teach NVFR. To teach NVFR an instructor must also hold the FIR - NVFR Training Endorsement. CASA is aware of this misconception regarding NVFR teaching and is currently taking more of an educative approach to breaches rather than a punitive approach, which is sensible and pragmatic.
Some airlines recognized this and had a policy of selecting training captains from newly promoted captains, while the extensive work involved in command upgrade or transition to a new type was still fresh in their minds.
Our licencing system has far too many layers of BS.
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If CASA were capable of pragmatism, instructors could instruct for any skill that they themselves have demonstrated. Can fly a night circuit? Yes, should now be able to teach night circuits. Flew cross-country at night for the NVFR or IFR test? Can now teach. Why not? Often, the best time to teach something is soon after you have been examined in that skill yourself.
Some airlines recognized this and had a policy of selecting training captains from newly promoted captains, while the extensive work involved in command upgrade or transition to a new type was still fresh in their minds.
Our licencing system has far too many layers of BS.
Some airlines recognized this and had a policy of selecting training captains from newly promoted captains, while the extensive work involved in command upgrade or transition to a new type was still fresh in their minds.
Our licencing system has far too many layers of BS.
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From: The Peninsula
Instructors work under a HOO whose job it is to ensure that incorrect presumptions aren't made and that instructors are allocated jobs they are qualified to do.
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If CASA were capable of pragmatism, instructors could instruct for any skill that they themselves have demonstrated.
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If CASA were capable of pragmatism, instructors could instruct for any skill that they themselves have demonstrated. Can fly a night circuit? Yes, should now be able to teach night circuits. Flew cross-country at night for the NVFR or IFR test? Can now teach. Why not? Often, the best time to teach something is soon after you have been examined in that skill yourself.
Some airlines recognized this and had a policy of selecting training captains from newly promoted captains, while the extensive work involved in command upgrade or transition to a new type was still fresh in their minds.
Our licencing system has far too many layers of BS.
Some airlines recognized this and had a policy of selecting training captains from newly promoted captains, while the extensive work involved in command upgrade or transition to a new type was still fresh in their minds.
Our licencing system has far too many layers of BS.
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From: United States
"sensible and pragmatic.", I wanted to puke when I read that.
This statement, apparently floated by CASA, is pure propaganda.
Its a reaction their escalating bureaucratic nightmare of ratings upon ratings
and the NVFR is a classic example.
No wonder instructors leave Australia and don't return.
This statement, apparently floated by CASA, is pure propaganda.
Its a reaction their escalating bureaucratic nightmare of ratings upon ratings
and the NVFR is a classic example.
No wonder instructors leave Australia and don't return.
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From: Mildura
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From: Mildura
There are rumours that IAA Mildura will be shutting down soon. Because all their Instructors walked out recently IAA is unable to complete the pilot training before the dead line given by the airlines. They are desperately looking for other 142 operators to take over their cadets to complete their training inorder to keep the contract. If that happens, I wonder what happens to all their brand new aeroplanes??. Maybe set them on fire for insurance money??
