Large aircraft to private strips
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Large aircraft to private strips
How can an aircraft of greater than 5700kg operate IFR into a dirt strip without instrument approaches, when by definition an "adequate aerodrome" requires at least 1 authorised approach and meteorological forecasts.?
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Why are you concerned with "adequate" aerodromes? Yes you need an adequate aerodrome available within 60min if your not EDTO authorised but the destination doesn't need to be adequate.? You clearly need an alternate though. CAO 82.5 describes some limitations for AOC holders of high capacity ops. If the operation was at night then an instrument approach is required but not by day. Also if a turbo jet (probably not likely if the strip is gravel) you need PAPI or other electronic vertical guidance. I don't think Low Capacity RPT (CAO 82.3) requires instrument approaches available for night ops. Anyway what aircraft and type of operation are you talking about?
Why are you concerned with "adequate" aerodromes? Yes you need an adequate aerodrome available within 60min if your not EDTO authorised but the destination doesn't need to be adequate.? You clearly need an alternate though. CAO 82.5 describes some limitations for AOC holders of high capacity ops. If the operation was at night then an instrument approach is required but not by day. Also if a turbo jet (probably not likely if the strip is gravel) you need PAPI or other electronic vertical guidance. I don't think Low Capacity RPT (CAO 82.3) requires instrument approaches available for night ops. Anyway what aircraft and type of operation are you talking about?
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The purpose of the Instrument approach requirement is about obstacle clearance data to provide a circling area and approach path (splays) which does not exist at those aerodromes without an approach. Not so much about navigation. A good time to reiterate, simply because the NGT VFR rules say descent below LSALT within 3 miles, does not necessarily mean it is safe to do so with respect to obstacle clearance.
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Generally you will need a Flight Manual supplement with dirt field Ops approved, you need the company Operations Manual to explain and approve such operations and you would not operate into these places without a suitable alternate aerodrome.
Good topic though
What 5,700kg + aircraft are we talking about? (Plenty of RFDS aircraft go into and out of strips without instrument approaches but, as far as I am aware, PC12s and Kingairs are not 5,700kg + aircraft.)
Thanks cs. I’ve learnt something. Do any of the RFDSs operate them?
Kingairs are not 5,700kg + aircraft
King Air Maximum Aircraft Take-Off Gross Weight Increase
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This is definitely NOT true.
Generally you will need a Flight Manual supplement with dirt field Ops approved, you need the company Operations Manual to explain and approve such operations and you would not operate into these places without a suitable alternate aerodrome.
Good topic though
Generally you will need a Flight Manual supplement with dirt field Ops approved, you need the company Operations Manual to explain and approve such operations and you would not operate into these places without a suitable alternate aerodrome.
Good topic though
Thanks for all those who educated me on the 5,700kg + aircraft that engage in ‘flying doctor’-type operations. I suppose that means the OP’s question remains unanswered...
OK. Forget “dirt strips”.
Walk me through how a 5,700kg + aircraft engaged in ‘commercial’ operations - e.g. aerial work - is legally able to land somewhere that does not have an instrument approach.
Walk me through how a 5,700kg + aircraft engaged in ‘commercial’ operations - e.g. aerial work - is legally able to land somewhere that does not have an instrument approach.
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There never has been a requirement. There are additional requirements for example an alternate, for different classes of operation. Are you going down the path of surveyed obstacle clearance gradients data for high capacity operations (guaranteed one engine out performance) at an aerodrome with no approach procedure.
So Grizzly has his answer.
Walk me through how a 5,700kg + aircraft engaged in ‘commercial’ operations - e.g. aerial work - is legally able to land somewhere that does not have an instrument approach.
ENR 1.4
A flight operating under the IFR by day may be planned to a non- instrument procedure destination provided that the aircraft can be navigated in accordance with ENR 1.1 Section 4.1
An aeroplane with a MTOW greater than 5,700KG operating under IFR by night may only be planned to a destination which has an approved instrument approach procedure for which the aircraft is appropriately equipped and the pilot is qualified.
