Large aircraft to private strips
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At any number of mine strips back on the 80s in Qld and NT you would see Lears, Westwinds and Citations.
These strips did not have nav aids. GPS was not even heard off. Omega was in its infancy.
Visual at LSAT and a WAC on the lap.
Only daylight operations.
However we did have our moments with ATC and the dreaded "Operational Approval"
Statements like"but you cannot go there" when submitting a plan for a landing point that was a gravel strip.
"Why"
"Your a jet"
"Yes and a jet that has a gravel kit and a AFM supplement for operations on sod and gravel"
One classic reply from the ATC bloke behind the desk that was worried about putting his signature in the box at the bottom of the flight plan when told that we had an AFM Supplement for sod and gravel ops was "But you blokes from Qld will put anything in your AFM"
These strips did not have nav aids. GPS was not even heard off. Omega was in its infancy.
Visual at LSAT and a WAC on the lap.
Only daylight operations.
However we did have our moments with ATC and the dreaded "Operational Approval"
Statements like"but you cannot go there" when submitting a plan for a landing point that was a gravel strip.
"Why"
"Your a jet"
"Yes and a jet that has a gravel kit and a AFM supplement for operations on sod and gravel"
One classic reply from the ATC bloke behind the desk that was worried about putting his signature in the box at the bottom of the flight plan when told that we had an AFM Supplement for sod and gravel ops was "But you blokes from Qld will put anything in your AFM"
Nothing new here, Cobham have been operating the 146 & RJ aircraft into Gravel strips without approaches or slope guidance since 2012
https://australianaviation.com.au/20...ravel-runways/
https://australianaviation.com.au/20...ravel-runways/
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Flights where filed under the IFR, we landed at said unimproved dromes anyway we could within the scope of the rules. Rarely even the rule book could be thrown out the window but only under certain conditions.
I think you’ve missed the point of my question,, but I infer from that answer that you went below the LSALT in VMC under the IFR. That’s the normal way. You didn’t advise ATC to change category of flight to VFR (although you could).
Unimproved strips or mercy flights are obfuscation.
Unimproved strips or mercy flights are obfuscation.
I think you’ve missed the point of my question,, but I infer from that answer that you went below the LSALT in VMC under the IFR.
Not visual at LSALT go to alternate.
But we generally had a good idea what the weather was like.
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Thanks GG. I think we’ve established that it happens/ed frequently. The OP was asking about how it happens/ed legally. I think we’ve now sorted that out.
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Two different worlds........
Reviving an old thread.
After a few years away from Aus, I am trying to find this AIP reference to restrictions on night operations in aircraft above 5700kg to aerodromes without instrument approachs. Has this reference been removed recently? ( due to the introduction of Part 91 )?
After a few years away from Aus, I am trying to find this AIP reference to restrictions on night operations in aircraft above 5700kg to aerodromes without instrument approachs. Has this reference been removed recently? ( due to the introduction of Part 91 )?
After a few years away from Aus, I am trying to find this AIP reference to restrictions on night operations in aircraft above 5700kg to aerodromes without instrument approachs. Has this reference been removed recently? ( due to the introduction of Part 91 )?
Now Part 91 MOS 8.05(1) refers.
And I can't see anything in Part 121 that overrides that for >5,700 Air Transport ops.... yet.
Last edited by compressor stall; 13th Mar 2022 at 10:23.
