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Old 13th Jun 2020, 11:02
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So if you can see the ‘dirt strip’ you can land on it. Sounds reasonable!

Why do we make such a fuss in Australia?
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 11:43
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Here’s a bit of dirt...


A bit of fun!
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 13:15
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At any number of mine strips back on the 80s in Qld and NT you would see Lears, Westwinds and Citations.
These strips did not have nav aids. GPS was not even heard off. Omega was in its infancy.
Visual at LSAT and a WAC on the lap.
Only daylight operations.
However we did have our moments with ATC and the dreaded "Operational Approval"

Statements like"but you cannot go there" when submitting a plan for a landing point that was a gravel strip.
"Why"
"Your a jet"
"Yes and a jet that has a gravel kit and a AFM supplement for operations on sod and gravel"

One classic reply from the ATC bloke behind the desk that was worried about putting his signature in the box at the bottom of the flight plan when told that we had an AFM Supplement for sod and gravel ops was "But you blokes from Qld will put anything in your AFM"


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Old 13th Jun 2020, 14:42
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Nothing new here, Cobham have been operating the 146 & RJ aircraft into Gravel strips without approaches or slope guidance since 2012
https://australianaviation.com.au/20...ravel-runways/
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 15:04
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
Did it for 10 years, all us pilots must have broken the rules (yr rules) thousands of times!
So did you change category from IFR or did you proceed in VMC under the IFR?
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 22:35
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
So did you change category from IFR or did you proceed in VMC under the IFR?
Flights where filed under the IFR, we landed at said unimproved dromes anyway we could within the scope of the rules. Rarely even the rule book could be thrown out the window but only under certain conditions.
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Old 13th Jun 2020, 23:27
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I think you’ve missed the point of my question,, but I infer from that answer that you went below the LSALT in VMC under the IFR. That’s the normal way. You didn’t advise ATC to change category of flight to VFR (although you could).

Unimproved strips or mercy flights are obfuscation.
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Old 14th Jun 2020, 12:11
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I think you’ve missed the point of my question,, but I infer from that answer that you went below the LSALT in VMC under the IFR.
LSALT was your minima.
Not visual at LSALT go to alternate.
But we generally had a good idea what the weather was like.
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 08:54
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
OK. Forget “dirt strips”.

Walk me through how a 5,700kg + aircraft engaged in ‘commercial’ operations - e.g. aerial work - is legally able to land somewhere that does not have an instrument approach.
I landed a jet at Ginbata when it was first built. No nav. aids. No forecast. Descend to LSALT ( or grid MORA)plus 500. If not visual divert to Newman. Simples. Check the synoptic chart for wind direction and use area QNH . Easy.
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 09:37
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Thanks GG. I think we’ve established that it happens/ed frequently. The OP was asking about how it happens/ed legally. I think we’ve now sorted that out.

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Old 15th Jun 2020, 10:23
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
Thanks GG. I think we’ve established that it happens/ed frequently. The OP was asking about how it happens/ed legally. I think we’ve now sorted that out.

Cheers
Not sure what your point is. It was perfectly legal. Mind you my F/O who had just come from LongHaul nearly had a fit .
Two different worlds........
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 10:50
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I don't get the confusion here? You can file an IFR Flt Plan in an A/C over 12500 lbs in AWK/Pvt Cat and land at a suitable unimproved strip legally! GG explains how!
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Old 15th Jun 2020, 11:32
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Originally Posted by George Glass View Post
Mind you my F/O who had just come from LongHaul nearly had a fit
Of course he did! He’d never been in a light aircraft before!
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