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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 02:17
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Originally Posted by Ixixly View Post
Reports of fleet grounded...guessing business decision by the owner. Anyone able to comment?
Are you able to elaborate any further? What "reports"?
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 02:41
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Email from Soar & BHI confirming grounding. No other details. Tried to ring SOAR yesterday for more information. As soon as i started asking questions as to reasons the call was terminated by SOAR
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 03:02
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 03:05
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Hmmmmm. When I spoke with SOAR (before i was hung up on) they were trying to tell me the flight suspensions were weather related!
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 03:06
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Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA View Post
wow.

BIG oof
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 03:15
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How generous !
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 06:13
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The bigger they are the harder they fall.

Hoping the cancellation fees will be investigated.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 06:40
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Just the beginning lads/laddettes. You're hearing about 5% of what is going on.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 07:44
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I've heard that CASA are tracking down all G2 and G1 instructors that got their ab-initio hours flying at soar, asking them to send proof that their hours were obtained in VH registered aircraft. Though haven't heard about anyone being downgraded so far (can that even happen?)

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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 09:01
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Originally Posted by Styx75 View Post
I've heard that CASA are tracking down all G2 and G1 instructors that got their ab-initio hours flying at soar, asking them to send proof that their hours were obtained in VH registered aircraft. Though haven't heard about anyone being downgraded so far (can that even happen?)
Here we go again! Are you saying that RA-Aus hours donít count towards anything ?
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 09:25
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Here we go again! Are you saying that RA-Aus hours donít count towards anything ?
CASA donít count GA instructorís hours for an upgrade if those hours are in RAAus aircraft. How instructors would teach straight and level lessons differently in RAAus aircraft, I donít know. The canít logically defend their decision, they just point to the ambiguous legislation they wrote and interpret it to suit themselves.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 11:23
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I wonder if the AFR might review their assessment criteria before they start bestowing accolades.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 11:25
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From The Australian: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...6a9f89957c46e6


Flight training has been temporarily suspended at Australia’s largest pilot academy, Soar Aviation, after training partner Box Hill Institute demanded documentation about its fleet.The TAFE college informed students of the three-day hiatus in flight training late Friday, saying Box Hill Institute “maintains safety as its top priority”.It comes as a growing group of current and former students seek a refund of their VET loan money from Box Hill and Soar, based on their claims they did not receive the training they were promised.Their complaints to Victoria’s Department of Education are now the subject of an inquiry by the Special Investigations Unit.The Australian Skills Quality Authority, which is the regulatory body for VET loan-related courses, has also been examining the aviation courses provided by Box Hill and Soar.ASQA delivered its report to the TAFE college last week, and CEO Vivienne King said they were “responding as requested”.That was followed by the email to students, informing them the college had “requested Soar to suspend flying for BHI students for the next few days”.“We will provide further information as soon as we can,” read the email from the college’s aviation department.A further email to students from Soar Aviation, signed by CEO Neel Khokhani, said “Box Hill Institute had requested documentation in relation to our fleet”.“We will be “pausing flight operations until this is provided,” Mr Khokhani said.“We will automatically cancel any flights you have booked for Saturday, Sunday and Monday. “You will not be charged for these flights.”He apologised for any inconvenience and promised to “be in touch soon”.One of the concerns raised by students was that their training was being conducted in Foxbat recreational aircraft rather than the Cessna 172s they were promised.The students also complained they were being made to redo training runs repeatedly despite being proficient, at an added cost.Federal Department of Employment figures show in the first six months of 2019, 289 people were enrolled in the Commercial Pilot’s Licence diploma course at Box Hill at a cost of $7.1m in VET loans.The data showed the unit of study completion rate was 47.6 per cent.Flight Training Adelaide had 32 students enrolled at a cost of just under $900,000 in VET student loans, with a 100 per cent completion rate.Mr Khokhani, 30, was recently named on Australia’s Young Rich List, based on his $66m fortune.Soar partnered with Box Hill in 2016, and according to Department of Employment data has produced fewer than 20 graduates.But Mr Khokhani said 61 people had successfully obtained their CPL with many going on to jobs in the aviation industry, including as flight instructors.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 11:38
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Money will not be charged because you cancelled the flights??? Are you kidding me?
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 13:18
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61 people had successfully obtained their CPL with many going on to jobs in the aviation industry, including as flight instructors.
I wonder just what jobs in the aviation industry? Baggage handlers, aircraft cleaners, check-in staff. If they had gone on to actual flying jobs one would think you would really push that point.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 13:20
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Money will not be charged because you cancelled the flights??? Are you kidding me?
No mate, I'll bet they have convinced themselves they are being overly generous on that point.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 13:27
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post


Here we go again! Are you saying that RA-Aus hours donít count towards anything ?
Dont shoot the rumor monger...

That said, a GA instructor can't teach RAAus, so if someone is teaching RAAus, how can they be exercising the privileges of their GA instructors endorsement to gain hours towards their G2/G1 upgrade?

But really, I don't care. Would be nice if it was written plainly in the regs so at least there wouldn't be arguments about it.
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 04:13
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Mr Khokhani, 30, was recently named on Australia’s Young Rich List, based on his $66m fortune.... Mr Khokhani said 61 people had successfully obtained their CPL
$66m off the back of 61 CPL graduates. Nice margin!
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 04:18
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post


Here we go again! Are you saying that RA-Aus hours donít count towards anything ?
Completely besides the point here, if there needs to be clarification of the legalities of using RAA Aircraft for flight training it should have been sought by this business and surely CASA can't have just not noticed it for the last few years if so? I'm not aware of any other flying schools using such a large fleet of RAA Aircraft so surely it should have attracted some extra CASA checks and Soar themselves should have clarified the point knowing it was outside the norms and a bit of a grey area?
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 04:24
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HL,
Yeah mate rough maths works it out to $5,000 per hour on a 200 hr course.
As said above tip of the iceberg.
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