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Old 5th Jul 2019, 04:32
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post


From memory some years back it was clearly stated that you had to be less than 31 to fly for the RAAF (joining age). I wonder when they changed that or if I’ve got that horribly wrong!
From the Defence Recruiting Website: "Maximum age on entry is 45 years of age."

No idea when they changed it, I don't remember what it was when I joined as I was only 18 at the time haha.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 05:21
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Sunfish - hats of to you for writing what is most likely the truth!
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 06:17
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I find this post wildly inappropriate. I have come to expect no less from you, especially after your comments about the RAAF wanting to bomb brown people.
No it is spot on. South Africa is already there.

If fact it wouldn't be a very difficult hypothesis to test.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 06:27
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You work as an instructor and build you hours at your GA Airport until you reach the minimums for the Airlines and then you apply. Rejected? Apply again, and again, and network and network at the airport as much as you can.

The sooner you pay off your loans the sooner you can follow a plan.

Your life ends when you die, not in your late 30s...
Sorry you aren't going to get hired at an airline in your early 50s with just instructional time. Following your plan would work well if the end goal was an instructor and/or GA charter, but forget airlines ain't going to happen.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 08:14
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Regarding “Diversity”, once it has become Company policy at Board level, there is no other way to implement it, mathematically, assuming zero growth, than to hire more of the target group than the other groups.

Now unless there is a sudden increase in target group applicants compared to white males, that means you have to give recruiting preference to the target group. You may even have to encourage members to apply and provide incentives and perhaps additional training.

We we call this process “affirmative action” or “positive discrimination “ and it’s not only legal, it’s law. Expect it to be extended to minorities.


The Affirmative Action (Equal Employment Opportunity for Women) Act 1986 covers all higher education institutions and employers (other than public sector employers) employing 100 or more employees. They are required to develop and implement affirmative action programs for women and to submit annual reports on the progress of those programs. Public.......

There are eight steps to an affirmative action program, as described in the Affirmative Action (Equal Employment Opportunity for Women) Act 1986, which an employer must take, namely:
  • issue an affirmative action policy statement to all staff
  • appoint a senior manager to oversee the program
  • consult with employees, particularly women
  • develop a profile showing jobs where men and women work
  • review personnel policies and practices
  • set goals for the program
  • monitor the program and evaluate its achievements.
The Affirmative Action Agency, which administers the Affirmative Action (Equal Employment Opportunity for Women) Act 1986, names organisations failing to submit a report or providing a program. The report is tabled in the Australian Parliament.

On 1 January 1993 the Keating Government introduced a policy of contract compliance under which organisations failing to comply with the Affirmative Action (Equal Employment Opportunity for Women) Act 1986 are ineligible for government contracts and specified forms of industry assistance.(6)

Neither the Affirmative Action (Equal Employment Opportunity for Women) Act 1986 or any other Australian equal opportunity legislation imposes quotas. No Australian legislation requires that a certain number of women or other persons be employed.
.....and while nobody “officially “ imposes quotas, it would be a very brave HR manager who didn’t hire the proverbial Somali lesbian candidate that presented. Social justice warriors are quick, vicious and can do your company a lot of damage very quickly. Just look at the case of Israel Folau. No HR manager wants to star in one of those stories, hence white guys are last on the hiring list.

Sorry if it’s not supposed to be spoken about, but there it is.



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Old 5th Jul 2019, 08:28
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Originally Posted by minger View Post
What I find concerning is the 50/50 gender equality.
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minger,
Look out, you will be in trouble with the Gender Diversity and Inclusion with Sustainability Enforcement Agency with that sort of post --- flatly stating "gender is binary --- you should understand that the "proper" position is that "gender" is fluid, and can (preferably) be anywhere on the LBTIQUSSGF spectrum.
Sadly, I know of a least one aviation employer where not being on the binary heterosexual scale will be a distinct advantage.
Tootle pip!!

PS: I do know of one chap who joined the Navy as a pilot at 63, but that was a special case, a cost saving measure.. He was, very briefly, the oldest "new recruit" in the RAN.

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Old 5th Jul 2019, 11:10
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Equality in the medium-long term can be achieved by education and cultural change.
To achieve it in the short term (2,3,5 years), it is necessary to reverse the discrimination, and disadvantage the 'advantaged' to achieve the goal.
One could argue that equality is achieved when both sides are equally miffed.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 11:22
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Love that last line Gligg!
Affirmative action is a wonderful idea........until it affects you personally.
Ironically it appears to be lacking in senior management at many companies and throughout senior levels of government and politics.
Do as we say not as we do.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 11:41
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post
minger,
Look out, you will be in trouble with the Gender Diversity and Inclusion with Sustainability Enforcement Agency with that sort of post --- flatly stating stating "gender is binary --- you should understand that the "proper" position is that "gender" is fluid, and can (preferably) be anywhere on the LBTIQUSSGF spectrum.
Sadly, I know of a least one aviation employer where not being on the binary heterosexual scale will be a distinct advantage.
Tootle pip!!

PS: I do know of one chap who joined the Navy as a pilot at 63, but that was a special case, a cost saving measure.. He was, very briefly, the oldest "new recruit" in the RAN.
lol
is that akin to me identifying myself as an empty pint glass? - put beer in me!
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 20:40
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Hi mate.

I did the career change thing and got my CPL full time @ age 37 15 or so years ago, went up north early the next year and was lucky enough to score a job flying bug smashers over some of the best country on the planet. Met a heap of great people along the way and had a ball. I came home at the end of the season intending to head back up the next but accidentally fell into a great paying job in my old industry and so after 2 years of living like a pauper that was the end of my flying career.

Including the training and what I wasn't earning for 2 years it probably cost me upwards of 250k but it was a fantastic life experience and would do it all again in a heart beat. That said I was single, no kids, had a reasonably recent redundancy payout which helped with the training costs and mostly owned a house which I rented out while away to pay the mortgage. Even so it was still pretty tough financially and will be very hard going in your personal circumstances. Your chances of landing a cadetship or academy slot at your age are very slim so based on your 60 hours in 2 years it will probably take you another 3 - 5 before you get your CPL and then a few more years building hours in very low paying GA before you land something half decent. The military suggestion above might be an option, you could be in and out with a few thousand hours under your belt by your mid/late 40's, flying nice equipment, no training costs and a decent salary and perks along the way....

Good luck with it what ever decision you make, cheers.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 22:49
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
Sunfish - hats of to you for writing what is most likely the truth!
Yeah he is a true Australian hero.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 23:35
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Don’t worry NZ Kiwi, one day you will understand.

In fact sunfish is only partially correct. If one looks at an extract from the Qantas Group HR employment manual it quite clearly states the following:
”........and preference shall be given to female transgender lesbian bi sexual transvestite midgets who shall ideally identify equally as aboriginal and American red indian whilst being sympathetic toward the Jewish faith and embracing those with red hair”

Further “we aim to achieve a split of 50% female, 50% vegan and 50% for those who are mathematically challenged.”
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 00:07
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Just on the subject of age and experience. I can understand cadetships would be in uphill battle later in life but definitely could be done. How would someone 40+ with 1440 200 multi current IPC and ATPL subjects fend for them selves now days?
I would like to think there are a few decent opportunities out there, but could understand there would be limits on what you could realistically aim for. RPT or possibly something bigger. Any honest thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 02:03
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Originally Posted by rowdy trousers View Post
Don’t worry NZ Kiwi, one day you will understand.

In fact sunfish is only partially correct. If one looks at an extract from the Qantas Group HR employment manual it quite clearly states the following:
”........and preference shall be given to female transgender lesbian bi sexual transvestite midgets who shall ideally identify equally as aboriginal and American red indian whilst being sympathetic toward the Jewish faith and embracing those with red hair”

Further “we aim to achieve a split of 50% female, 50% vegan and 50% for those who are mathematically challenged.”
Getting closer to the truth
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 02:56
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There was a time when the first females entered the cockpit that when I saw there was a female pilot she was surely capable as she had to work as hard or harder than anyone else to get there. I no longer have that confidence though I have no doubt that some of them are capable.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 11:05
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harrryw Ditto When the s..t hits the fan I suspect some I know will not handle it well.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 11:26
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TempoCTu. Its their train set and they can take who they choose. To be honest with you your age is a problem. You will be older than the instructors. You will not fit in with the rest of the course culture.

Do not be discouraged. All you need are the hours, licences and a reference. Suggest Rex or Sharp if you are looking for a disciplined course rather than DIY.

Good luck
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 12:12
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
.......and after the females, “diversity” will demand intakes of africans, asians and Aborigines. As a white guy you/ will be last for the foreseeable politically correct future. Best chance these days would be a Somali lesbian.
You need to get out more Sunny...we are no longer a monoculture and more than half the world is female.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 12:14
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I’m in the back of a Qantas flight right now, would you like me to tell them anything?!
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 12:18
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
.......and after the females, “diversity” will demand intakes of africans, asians and Aborigines. As a white guy you/ will be last for the foreseeable politically correct future. Best chance these days would be a Somali lesbian.
You need to get out more Sunny...we are no longer a monoculture and more than half the world is female.
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