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Old 11th Jun 2019, 23:10
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Is the runway closed?
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 23:44
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" Is the runway closed?"

Only on Sunday's from 9.30am to 10.30am local..! (For the non-existent church service taking place!)
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 23:53
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Muddergoose, negative on that. Aerodrome open, still PPR and may be only for PVT ops. Check with the club.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 08:37
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Folks,
If this was NSW I would know where to look, name names, even ---- to find the "Public Relations Consultants" who, well hidden in the background, specialize in creating "spontaneous grassroots local organisations of concerned citizens" that suddenly spring up to oppose whatever the big money wants opposed --- in this case, the continued operation of Tyabb as an airfield.
This sudden interest of the council in shafting the airport didn't "just happen".
Follow the money!!
Tootle pip!!

PS: The meeting obviously went well, good to hear, but that is only one shot fired in what is going to be a long battle ---- how long before the next council elections?? Hint himt!!
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 11:33
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I am a local resident although I have nothing to do with the Aero Club.This whole situation is very sad and I am astonished that it has come to this. The management of the situation by the Shire could have been much better and, as I have discovered personally elsewhere, they appear to lack proper records and seem to be unable to accept any responsibility of their past behaviour. There has, however, been significant agitation by a vocal, NIMBY minority that I believe has had an effect on the Shire’s behaviour and this should serve as a warning to other small local airports. Other modern factors which other airports should be aware of are the power of social media to spread “fake news” and the destruction of decent, traditional journalism to deliver genuine facts and analysis. It also shows how easy vandalism is - building things takes great effort but destroying them is much easier and we must guard against it or lose what we have.

For some time an organisation called the “ local ratepayers group” has purported to represent the community but in reality has predominantly been a vehicle for a few individuals to maintain a campaign against the airfield whilst feeling the need to provide a regular stream of unsolicited opinions through local letterboxes on everything from kids on bikes to linking speeding to the wearing of hi viz clothing! In addition to this group, a retired army officer moved into the area about 5 years ago, fresh from failing as a Greens candidate in the state election. After buying his house on the dead side, well away from the circuit, he has become incensed that someone has had the temerity to operate an airfield nearby for the last 60 years! This guy is straight out of Von Moltke’s productive fool mould and has decided that we, the local residents, need to galvanised under his clearly superior leadership. I suspect that early in his life his girlfriend ran off with a pilot! I initially just considered him a devisive annoyance but I underestimated his energy and the effect he would have on the community. He created the impression that physical expansion of the airfield was planned and that there was widespread conspiracy between government and the Aero Club. The “independent” noise survey was apparently going to be a white wash and anyway, the Aero Club were all rich people from elsewhere on the peninsula! He has doorstepped the whole area and created the impression that many people are behind him whereas, in reality, like the Ratepayers Group, he is following a mostly personally carved agenda.

One of the particular complaints of the failed Greens candidate has been against helicopters which is surprising as very few helicopters actually operate from Tyabb! One reason for this confusion that has not been discussed and that other airfields might want to consider is is the volume of traffic that passes over Tyabb unrelated to the airfield. Even if the airfield did not exist, it still sits on the direct track from both Essendon and Moorabbin to Phillip Island and Hastings. I see a lot of traffic come past that is clearly nothing to do with the airfield but I suspect that the airfield is copping the blame.

I love the fact that I get to see interesting aircraft from my window and occasionally get the beautiful growl of a RR Merlin come past that makes me run outside. The airfield is great for the kids and the community and I genuinely find the noise from trucks, hoons and motorcycles far more intrusive than aircraft. I’’m off to write my local councillors, I urge you to do the same if you are in a position to do so....
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 08:43
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Update please someone..... thanks
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 09:12
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...0a23d0cf8c8f34

The future of a regional Victoria airfield is on the line today when a council sits down with local pilots to resolve the curious case of missing operating permits.

Many of the 11 businesses at the Tyabb Airfield on the Mornington Peninsula have operated on the site since the late 1960s, when the only rule they had to observe was no flying between 9.30am and 10.30am on Sundays for church.

The church is now a cafe and has been for 28 years, but in *response to lobbying from residents, council sought to add a condition to the airfield extending the curfew from dusk on Saturday to 9am on Sunday.Mornington Peninsula Shire Mayor David Gill said that was when they discovered permits did not exist for businesses such as the Peninsula Aero Club flying school. In response “cease and desist” notices were distributed to various landholders on the airfield site, instructing them to stop work until appropriate permits were found.

“We are not trying to shut down an airport,” Mr Gill said.

“We’re trying to help them do the things they want to do but it has to be along the same lines as every other business in Australia has to. It’s pretty simple.”

Mr Gill said the council was simply trying to follow due process and a curfew was a reasonable starting point. “For years the situation has been 24 hours, seven days a week of flying. We’ve been hard-pressed to find an airport in Australia that operates like that. Not even Sydney operates like that,’’ he said. Peninsula Aero Club president Jack Vevers said it was an extraordinary situation based on the dislike of the airfield by a “vocal minority” within the community.

“What (council) did unexpectedly and without warning was they walked in and dropped all these stop-work notices on ourselves at the aero club and a number of businesses that operate at the airport and have been operating for more than half a century,” Mr Vevers said.

“It was brutal and abrupt with no explanation other than a few lines in these letters which were technically poorly produced.”

He said a “minor planning issue” had been turned into a huge social problem that threatened the livelihoods of 100 people working at the site.

“Many businesses have been here for so long they transcend the planning scheme. But you can’t just suddenly walk in and close them up,” Mr Vevers said.

Helicopter Resources managing director Bill English said the “cease and desist” notice would prevent his business from maintaining helicopters on site.

“It so happens we don’t have anything in the workshop at the moment but it will affect our *future,” Mr English said. “We have another workshop in Hobart so that’s always an option (to relocate work there) but that would be *disruptive to a lot of people.” Mr Vevers said the airfield was of vital importance to the Mornington Peninsula, which had a population of 164,000 but received seven million visitors a year.

“A lot of things hang off the success of the airport; it’s really having a significant impact on the town,” Mr Vevers said. “People want to trust their council but it’s frightening to think a council has the power to not be looking after people but destroying their livelihoods in such an *abrupt way without discussion.”

Mr Gill denied the council was being manipulated by a vocal minority. “Council’s not influenced by who makes the loudest noise,” he said.

“If there’s anyone who makes a lot of noise it’s the airfield because they don’t like what’s happening.”
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 09:30
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Thanks "Max Cont" for your input. It's great to see a local non-tied resident express their view of the situation.
I'm surprised not many more people have commented on your thoughts and others seeing it from the other side, than our aviation based minds.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 10:28
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“For years the situation has been 24 hours, seven days a week of flying. We’ve been hard-pressed to find an airport in Australia that operates like that. Not even Sydney operates like that,’’
Mr Gill, I think you'll find that every other airport, other than Sydney, does operate like that! You didn't look very far...YMMB is only 18nm away. Its your nearest registered aerodrome......it doesn't have a curfew. (ie where no movements at all, are allowed)
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 10:45
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Originally Posted by alphacentauri View Post
Mr Gill, I think you'll find that every other airport, other than Sydney, does operate like that! You didn't look very far...YMMB is only 18nm away. Its your nearest registered aerodrome......it doesn't have a curfew. (ie where no movements at all, are allowed)
Just a handful of heavies from Flightradar...
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  • Cathay178, Depart YMML 2345
  • Tiger418 Arrive YMML 0020
  • Tiger579 Arrive YMML 0020
  • Virgin1462 Arrive YMML 0030
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Plus a bunch more I CBF copying over...Just sayin...
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 10:51
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Link to

https://www.9now.com.au/a-current-af...19/episode-121
www.facebook.com/ACurrentAffair9/videos/2325277787530279 Current Affair



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Old 18th Jun 2019, 11:43
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SYD has flights during the night eg BAe146 freighters plus numerous turboprops and the odd corporate jet. In reality it is open 24 hrs just restricts heavy metal..
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 11:47
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Originally Posted by alphacentauri View Post
Mr Gill, I think you'll find that every other airport, other than Sydney, does operate like that! You didn't look very far...YMMB is only 18nm away. Its your nearest registered aerodrome......it doesn't have a curfew. (ie where no movements at all, are allowed)
YSSY does not have a curfew for small aircraft does it/
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 12:31
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Originally Posted by harrryw View Post
YSSY does not have a curfew for small aircraft does it/
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Syd does have restrictions as mentioned. It's technically not closed but is as much for heavy metal. The only A/C able to use the place unrestricted are Medevac planes and no doubt our corrupt politicians!
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 12:43
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“Council’s not influenced by who makes the loudest noise,” he said.
So aircraft noise is not the issue, but rather that silent noise of doing favours for their property developer mates could be the real influence for sending out those "cease and desist" notices.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 14:32
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Council are liars

The aero club and associated companies are NOT “like any other business “ because other businesses don’t require an airstrip. Same as marine businesses require proximity to water.

They are entitled to be treated like any other airport.

Its not like its a local fish and chip shop!
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 20:14
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Which ever way this goes, it is probably going to cost vast sums of money.

Sad.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 01:50
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There was a terrific turnout of locals and members last Saturday for the public meeting to show their support for the airport and associated businesses including PAC. A Current Affair managed to track down one of the main protagonists behind the anti airport group. This particular gentleman has been complaining for years. Pity the interviewer didn't ask him the obvious question - Why did you decide to move in to a house so close to an airport given your obvious dislike of aircraft noise..?? I also would have called him out on his statement that started with the words 'The problem RESIDENTS see is...' Well excuse me, but you don't speak for all the residents of Tyabb..!! That is plainly obvious from the number of people that attended on Saturday and the (to date) over 13,000 signatures to the online petition doing the rounds in support of the airfield. (A petition started by a local who is not even a member of PAC but loves the airfield and what it brings to the community).

As for the Mayor, well others have already pointed out his ridiculous assertions. I must however give him credit for at least turning up on Saturday. He would have known he was walking in to the 'lions den' so to speak and was probably going to cop some robust verbal 'advice'! He's gone up a notch in my book. That puts him at notch one

There was a meeting between PAC and shire CEO scheduled for earlier this week but I haven't heard how it went yet. Hopefully things can be resolved soon and avoid the lawyers/QC's getting involved.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 04:15
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I have it on some authority that the Council has asked PAC for more than five years to present an 'airport management plan' and this has not been forthcoming with excuses like 'cost' etc etc.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 10:31
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"to present an 'airport management plan".
Your kidding aren't you?

Look at the capital city secondary airport "management plans" if you want an example of a boondoggle.

Not one of them ever stuck to a "Plan". The plan was the basis for making the changes.
  • To abrogate the intention of the Airports Act.
  • To circumvent the clauses in the leases they signed to maintain the airports in the condition they were in when they took them over
  • To abrogate their responsibilities regarding environmental issues by excusing themselves from compliance on the pretext that the airports were Commonwealth land and environmental laws didn't apply to them.
  • To circumvent building codes.
  • To price aviation off the airport to facilitate non aviation development.
I guess the "Plan" was to have a functioning airport for the use of aviation, end of story

I guess that didn't fit in with the councils development mates. When's the next council election? I would expect some sizeable donations to re-election funds.
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