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ASA ripoff Dick on webcams

Old 4th Jun 2019, 05:27
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ASA ripoff Dick on webcams

well appears Dick has been ripped off by ASA again. Weather goes bad and the weather cams stop working.
Yesterday could really have used the Mt Boyce camera and it was holding an image stuck at 0527 UTC many hours late as the weather rolls in. Today keeps coming up as camera not available.
Air No Services to GA strike again.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 05:43
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Mt Boyce and many other images are provided by the Bureau of Meteorology.

Airservices just host them on one of their web pages.

Images are supplied courtesy of the Bureau of Meteorology

Please check the time stamp to ensure you are viewing a recent image (times are in UTC).

This webpage and it's images are not provided as part of a regulated service. This webpage and its images may be useful to assist in assessing actual weather conditions at the available locations, but do not replace official forecasts or observations. This webpage or its images should not be relied upon to be available, or up to date, for the purposes of flight planning, or decision making in flight. Airservices has taken all reasonable care in producing this webpage and republishing the supplied images, but it does not warrant they are free from error. Airservices accepts no liability arising from errors contained on this webpage or in the images provided.
http://weathercams.airservicesaustralia.com/
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 06:21
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I canít get any of their cameras to come up at the moment via their website, but they are working through Avplan and Ozrunways.

I wouldnít jump to say that they ripped off Dick as I know only too well as to how difficult it can be to keep cameras running 24/7. It sometimes takes a lot of time with no reward other than to have people complain when the picture is a little bit crooked.

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Old 4th Jun 2019, 06:51
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A high proportion of the webcam images on OzRyws don't work. I'd never rely on them!
Shame they are not reliable as they are a great idea!
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 07:59
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
A high proportion of the webcam images on OzRyws don't work. I'd never rely on them!
Shame they are not reliable as they are a great idea!
Really?

As an example there are close to 50 airports with cameras in Victoria and at a high level guess I provide around 45 of those airport image sets to Ozrunways and Avplan. Aside from those that are offline due to ADSL and NBN issues, the uptime of those cameras has been 100% availability for the site, due to multiple cameras at each site. As youíve seen, even the ASA cameras suffer a similar fate when comms are out.

Individual cameras do certainly fail, however there have never been complete camera failures at any site due to camera hardware failure.

As for ďunreliable,Ē what do you mean exactly? Out of date images or missing all of the images from the site?

As an example the following sites are offline due to Telstra outages:

- Colac

The following sites are offline due to NBN modifications initiated by the camera host:

- Tyabb

Sites with failed camera hardware but multiple cameras so therefore limited impact:

- Lethbridge
- Tocumwal
- Swan Hill
- Lady Barron
- Bendigo






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Old 4th Jun 2019, 09:51
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The Skycam Network cameras I installed on my hangar at YCTM used to randomly Ďgo blackí permanently. Or maybe it was the router to which they are connected.

Anyhow, I put a timer in the power line that automatically turns off the router and camera power for 1 minute every night at midnight local time. Zero failures since then (except from 0000 to 0001 local each night).

Who knew that the solution to an IT problem would be to switch the gizmos off and then on again.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 12:15
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Originally Posted by Clinton McKenzie View Post
The Skycam Network cameras I installed on my hangar at YCTM used to randomly Ďgo blackí permanently. Or maybe it was the router to which they are connected.

Anyhow, I put a timer in the power line that automatically turns off the router and camera power for 1 minute every night at midnight local time. Zero failures since then (except from 0000 to 0001 local each night).

Who knew that the solution to an IT problem would be to switch the gizmos off and then on again.
Very common, especially on 4G.

I had to do that exact same complex fix on all of my 4G sites. Telstra seem to do work around 12-1230 each morning and the routers go offline. Once they are offline you canít get them working without a reboot, even if you call their not so friendly helpdesk in the Philippines.

Personally I set them to at least 2am because sometimes the Telstra tech is running late when he logs in and screws things up completely.

Itís also a pain on 4G routers because you need to use one that doesnít have a battery, otherwise you canít reboot it with a timer.
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Old 4th Jun 2019, 23:22
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I think I donated $160,000 to Airservices to put in some extra weathercams but didnít specify the location or price.

I have been assisting other people with weathercams at about $1,000 a go and they seem to be working really well at places like Mittagong.

Iím not sure what ASA has been paying for their weathercams. Possibly they are getting some gold-plated unit that is really not necessary. As long as the unit does not produce a false image it is going to add to safety overall.

I am happy to add a few more $1,000 encouragements for people to put in weathercams in difficult locations. I think they are really great for safety.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 01:15
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Originally Posted by Dick Smith View Post
I think I donated $160,000 to Airservices to put in some extra weathercams but didnít specify the location or price.

I have been assisting other people with weathercams at about $1,000 a go and they seem to be working really well at places like Mittagong.

Iím not sure what ASA has been paying for their weathercams. Possibly they are getting some gold-plated unit that is really not necessary. As long as the unit does not produce a false image it is going to add to safety overall.

I am happy to add a few more $1,000 encouragements for people to put in weathercams in difficult locations. I think they are really great for safety.
Hi Dick,

Thank you for your generous offer.

I was contacted only just this morning about some safety critical locations in Tasmania that local flying groups are keen to get coverage on with cameras and any assistance would be very welcome!

The BOM Cameras that ASA provide are very expensive units from Europe with Swiss optics apparently. But, they serve a very different purpose, which is mainly to detect fog and low cloud in the dark. The pictures that we see from them are cut down low bandwidth versions that suffer often from halo effects.

Weíve got some 80+ sites on our webcam network with upwards of 170 cameras, however itís difficult to get funding for off-airport locations. We donít charge services or for profit on the cameras so we donít have spare funds for such locations. For airports that donít want cameras for some kind of security or privacy reasons(which is quite frustrating) Iíve had to resort to contacting local fire brigades to use their comms towers.

You can reach me at [email protected] or via PM if that is of interest to you.

Thanks!


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Old 5th Jun 2019, 02:44
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Thanks Dick - this may well save lives...
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 21:53
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Broken again.

Originally Posted by michigan j View Post
Thanks Dick - this may well save lives...
Looks like most of the ASA site webcams are offline again.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 22:48
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Originally Posted by catseye View Post
Looks like most of the ASA site webcams are offline again.
Looks like itís just their website as the pics are still available in Avplan and Ozrunways.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 23:03
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Originally Posted by catseye View Post
Looks like most of the ASA site webcams are offline again.
Have you reported this to them either before or now?

Contact link down the bottom of that page.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 02:30
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Originally Posted by CaptainMidnight View Post
Have you reported this to them either before or now?

Contact link down the bottom of that page.
Yep did that this morning. .
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 02:37
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Anyone know who maintains the Gayndah webcams? (Itís not the aerodrome operator - the ARO didnít know what I was talking about.) Theyíve been offline for a while.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 02:49
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Iíve got the details for Johan who runs them, Iíll call him shortly.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 12:53
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Squawk700, Dick, and others; thank you for making these camera a reality. Absolutely brilliant idea and I agree with others that say they could save lives.

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at our airport.. Heck Field Jacobs Well SEQ, we just updated from 2 to 4 they are so successful. More than one pilot says they were 'saved' from crossing the divide and getting into trouble because they could see the weather was bad at our airfield. If it saves one live or one outlanding then they have done their job at any cost in my opinion !

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Old 8th Jun 2019, 03:53
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For those who may not be aware, Stanthorpe(YSPE) now has a reliable weather camera where previously, there was none. It is located on a farm 14 km North of the aerodrome and hosted by Granite Belt weather which is operated by an aviation-minded person called James. This image is very reliable but needs to be manually refreshed to update.

As a regular visitor to Stanthorpe, I have found this camera very useful in filling an information black hole. Reliable though the webcams are at Warwick Gliding Club to the North, local flyers will tell you that the weather can be completely different at nearby Stanthorpe and a whole lot worse than Warwick.
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 04:26
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Originally Posted by Possum1 View Post
For those who may not be aware, Stanthorpe(YSPE) now has a reliable weather camera where previously, there was none. It is located on a farm 14 km North of the aerodrome and hosted by Granite Belt weather which is operated by an aviation-minded person called James. This image is very reliable but needs to be manually refreshed to update.

As a regular visitor to Stanthorpe, I have found this camera very useful in filling an information black hole. Reliable though the webcams are at Warwick Gliding Club to the North, local flyers will tell you that the weather can be completely different at nearby Stanthorpe and a whole lot worse than Warwick.
If the owners of the camera donít mind, I can get that added to Ozrunways and Avplan.

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