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What is the percentage of commercial pilots trained by foreign schools in Australia

Old 30th May 2019, 00:55
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What is the percentage of commercial pilots trained by foreign schools in Australia

Here is an interesting one. I’m told that foreign owned schools do the majority of pilot training. Of course I realise the Air Force pilots are trained by a foreign owned company but I’m wondering about other commercial pilots.

Does anyone have any approximate figures?

I’m asking this question because while I think the Swiss are best at building watches, and Asia is the best at building electronics, I would have thought that Australian owned businesses could be the best at flight training.

I’m told that more and more of the commercial pilot flight training is being taken over by foreign entities. This means all the profit and wealth generated goes overseas.
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Old 30th May 2019, 05:05
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If there is profit and wealth then why don't you start a Dick Smith brand Aussie flying school?
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Of course I realise the Air Force pilots are trained by a foreign owned company but I’m wondering about other commercial pilots.
You sure about that, Dick?
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Old 30th May 2019, 06:13
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Australian Owned Businesses

Hi Dick,
I think you will find it very difficult to extract that information, but here is something for consideration. I had a flying school located at Moorabbin Airport doing approximately 8,000 hours per annum. I remember discussions with Oxford CAE and they were doing almost 90,000 hours and forecasting a 50% increase he following year. From that it would be reasonable to deduce that of the other half a dozen schools at Moorabbin combined, we wouldn't equal those hours.

Similarly if you go to every capital city Perth (China Southern/Singapore Flying College, then shoot over to Adelaide (FTA) or NSW (CAE Tamworth and Port Macquarie (previously Johnsons). These larger organisations are foreign owned and probably account for half of the flying in the respective states.

Consider that TVSA in Victoria, the new Mildura operation, Amintas business, Pearsons at Essendon etc, all sold out to Chinese Interests.

There really can be little doubt that over half the training is delivered by foreign owned Companies.
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Old 30th May 2019, 06:35
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They may be "foreign owned", but are they employing local instructors, CP, support staff and management, have their aircraft serviced locally etc?
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Old 30th May 2019, 07:13
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Of course I realise the Air Force pilots are trained by a foreign owned company.
This may have been partially true in the past, however now all airborne instruction and the vast majority of ground instruction is provided by the RAAF. Not sure you can get a more "Australian Owned" company.
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What then is the $1. 2 billion Lockheed Martin contract for?
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Buckshot. Aldi also employ Aussies but they are Australia’s most profitable supermarket with all the profits going to two highly secretive Germans!

They are the smartest and most ruthless business people around!
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What then is the $1. 2 billion Lockheed Martin contract for?
Aircraft maintenance and a bunch of other stuff. But no actual instruction.
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Old 30th May 2019, 21:14
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I would have thought that Australian owned businesses could be the best at flight training.
Care to qualify that statement?

Are you saying that the 10's of thousands of pilot trained overseas every year are somehow inferior? Or just that somehow if the ownership is Australian the quality of training would somehow be better?
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My understanding from my years spent teaching overseas students in foreign owned schools is that they send their students here because of the relatively uncluttered airspace and significant periods of suitable weather. Quality of training doesn't feature foremost (and has taken a nosedive in the last few years because of the loss of experienced instructors to other endeavours).
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Buckshot. Aldi also employ Aussies but they are Australia’s most profitable supermarket with all the profits going to two highly secretive Germans!
And if Aldi along with Amazon etc. and those flying schools weren't here, all the Aussies involved would be unemployed.
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Love it when someone who got rich from capitalism has to face the consequences of capitalism.

Also, where does this jingoistic idea that Australians are the best at flight training come from?
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Unlike you DS to fire off both barrels about the RAAF doing something without having the facts!
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It sounds as if they are making money out of training which was my very point. Why can’t an Aussie company do that? See these links:

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...ntract-signed/

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ed-led-419859/
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Old 31st May 2019, 05:06
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Wizofoz you are totally wrong. I don’t have to face any “consequences of capitalism”. I’m well off and can afford anything they throw at me. I’m concerned about typical Aussies.

Buckshot1777, fortunately Australians don’t eat more food because Aldi is here. Aldi has a formula of not sharing the wealth – that is, they spend about 4% of their turnover on staff, compared with 8% spent by the normal supermarkets. Aldi is not only our most profitable retailer, it is also the most trusted. They will get more and more money. The only way Coles, Woolworths and IGA will be able to compete is to sack Australians.

It is what I call “extreme capitalism”. As we get to the limits of growth it starts to work only for the wealthy. We now have 96 billionaires who have doubled their wealth in five years, whilst typical Aussies have hardly kept up with inflation.
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Aldi also employ Aussies but they are Australia’s most profitable supermarket with all the profits going to two highly secretive Germans!
So with only 13% of the market they are the MOST profitable? R i g h t.

This may seem off topic but it goes to show once again how much rubbish you post. If you cannot get basic facts right then why would anyone believe what you post here in relation to aviation?
What does it matter if the owners are secretive?

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Old 31st May 2019, 06:49
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Icarus2001, you seem a bit angry. Is that why you post anonymously?

Regarding Aldi being the most profitable, I’m simply repeating a claim which is regularly made in the financial sections of newspapers. I would imagine they are referring not to gross profits but to profit as a percentage of turnover.

It is important about owners being secretive. Capitalism, to succeed, requires trust from everyone and minimum extremes of wealth. The Aldi owners (Karl Albrecht Jnr and Beate Heister), are worth $40 billion. They are not known as philanthropists but they are known to be “highly secretive”.

They will have an immense influence here in Australia. I have always predicted they will be incredibly successful because they only have half the overheads regarding employing Australians.

They are also not on the stock exchange so they don’t have that overhead. Of course, Woolies, Coles and IGA have to share their wealth with all Australians through super funds and shares.

You have probably seen what has happened in France. The same thing will start to happen here in Australia because the billionaires have doubled their wealth in five years, whilst most Australians have possibly just kept up with inflation.
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Old 31st May 2019, 07:01
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
So with only 13% of the market they are the MOST profitable? R i g h t.
Just a quick comment here... profit is unrelated to market share.
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