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It’s not so much the person who deserves ‘thanks’. It’s more the need to have plenty of SES sinecures to repay favours.
That may well be LB but in the current climate you would have more chance of predicting this weeks Powerball result than seeing any relaxation in ASIC requirements.
I have heard that as a result of Aviation ID Australias data hack, IT compliance is going to cost individual issuing bodies in the vicinity of $30k. Guess who's gonna pay for that.
I have heard that as a result of Aviation ID Australias data hack, IT compliance is going to cost individual issuing bodies in the vicinity of $30k. Guess who's gonna pay for that.
I do hope that the next step is mandatory DNA samples for ASIC applicants. Like aviation safety, there can be no price on aviation security.
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Funny thing is that those identity documents, with photos, aren’t themselves sufficient to gain access to a security controlled area.
It would be a jolly jape to find out how many ASIC applications are actually knocked back. That way we would know the ‘benefit’ that’s gained in return for the costs.
What cracks me up is that no one has yet to notice that one of my crucially important, original and face-to-face confirmed identity documents doesn’t have the same name on it as the other documents. Might as well say Donald Duck.
Typical Australian government amateur hour - except for the fee charged.
It would be a jolly jape to find out how many ASIC applications are actually knocked back. That way we would know the ‘benefit’ that’s gained in return for the costs.
What cracks me up is that no one has yet to notice that one of my crucially important, original and face-to-face confirmed identity documents doesn’t have the same name on it as the other documents. Might as well say Donald Duck.
Typical Australian government amateur hour - except for the fee charged.
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surprised to hear (in another thread about operating VH reg in the USA) that in the USA there is no ASIC equivalent!!!
Given that the USA has actually experienced a terrorist event related to aviation, I find it incredible that there is a need for an ASIC here in Australia...
Given that the USA has actually experienced a terrorist event related to aviation, I find it incredible that there is a need for an ASIC here in Australia...
Some years ago a pair of Customs now Border Force guys visited the airport for a chat with hangar holders etc
Before departing one gave me a card...on the back it had printed in large type..'You are the eyes and ears of yr airport' I responded with ' You are 12 years too late' What do you mean,? says the card giver.
I mean that after 9/11 in the USA THEY asked pilots and a/c operators country wide ..to be the eyes and ears and report anything suspicious'...AND the DIDN'T demand everyone connected with Aviation to go thru the ASIC performance and coststhat we have to.
In Oz the Goverment doesnt trust its citizens, so we have to pay the bureaucratic BS price,to build an Empire.
In the US the Government trusts its citizens to do the right thing.
And I'm sure any intending terrorist is not going to worry about applying for an ASIC first.
The logic of the ASIC is a crock of xxxxx
Before departing one gave me a card...on the back it had printed in large type..'You are the eyes and ears of yr airport' I responded with ' You are 12 years too late' What do you mean,? says the card giver.
I mean that after 9/11 in the USA THEY asked pilots and a/c operators country wide ..to be the eyes and ears and report anything suspicious'...AND the DIDN'T demand everyone connected with Aviation to go thru the ASIC performance and coststhat we have to.
In Oz the Goverment doesnt trust its citizens, so we have to pay the bureaucratic BS price,to build an Empire.
In the US the Government trusts its citizens to do the right thing.
And I'm sure any intending terrorist is not going to worry about applying for an ASIC first.
The logic of the ASIC is a crock of xxxxx
I'm sure I recall a FOI report that surfaced a few years ago that stated not a single ASIC had ever been declined.
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would love to know the details - a rejection in and of itself is not evidence that the system is worth it (not that you were suggesting that YPJT). Depends on the level of paranoia that the rejection bar has been set with!
And of course the rejected applicants can still jump into an aircraft at an airstrip that has no security requirements and fly into a place where an ASIC is required.
Or maybe the terrorists wouldn’t try that, because they might get fined...
Or maybe they’ve set up ‘forcefields’ around all the security controlled aerodromes to ‘block’ any aircraft that doesn’t have an ASIC holder on board. (Sounds like an ideal opportunity for an IT contractor to fleece the government out of a few lazy hundred millions, in return for some magic beans software. Can’t call it the ‘Star Wars Defence Shield’ - that’s been taken. Maybe the ‘Integrated Metadata Security Intelligence Collection Kinetic Operational Forcefield Turbo Histogram Isomer Sensitive Sensor Information Technology’ or: I’M SICK OF THIS **** for short.
Or maybe the terrorists wouldn’t try that, because they might get fined...
Or maybe they’ve set up ‘forcefields’ around all the security controlled aerodromes to ‘block’ any aircraft that doesn’t have an ASIC holder on board. (Sounds like an ideal opportunity for an IT contractor to fleece the government out of a few lazy hundred millions, in return for some magic beans software. Can’t call it the ‘Star Wars Defence Shield’ - that’s been taken. Maybe the ‘Integrated Metadata Security Intelligence Collection Kinetic Operational Forcefield Turbo Histogram Isomer Sensitive Sensor Information Technology’ or: I’M SICK OF THIS **** for short.
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Lead Balloon; 
And the final sentence in aroa's post above really says it all.
And the final sentence in aroa's post above really says it all.
A carefully co-ordinated plan of civil disobedience could kill off this whole ASIC bullsh!t.
If every pilot and LAME returned their ASIC card and rocked up for work carrying their licence and another photographic means of identification (preferably a passport, but a driver’s licence should suffice) what might be the outcome? This would not be industrial action, as the staff have reported for work as rostered. It would be up to security to deny airside access or round up and detain those who slipped through their net. The authorities would be busy for a day. The jails would be overwhelmed with those who security did not pick up before they went airside. Or, if everyone simply declared at security they had no ASIC, everyone would be turned back. Peacefully.
Such action would inconvenience the public for a while, and cost the airlines millions, so government would have to roll over in the national interest. They would adopt emergency measures within 48 hours for appropriate licences to be recognised as sufficient, if backed up by photo i.d. Then they would adopt a fit and proper person test (as the Kiwis do) for issue of licences. This would be good forever unless some criminal conviction followed.
Jobs for security snouts would still be safe as they would be able to pay more attention to non licensed lurkers and maybe run some patrols around the perimeter fence looking for Little Rocket Man.
If every pilot and LAME returned their ASIC card and rocked up for work carrying their licence and another photographic means of identification (preferably a passport, but a driver’s licence should suffice) what might be the outcome? This would not be industrial action, as the staff have reported for work as rostered. It would be up to security to deny airside access or round up and detain those who slipped through their net. The authorities would be busy for a day. The jails would be overwhelmed with those who security did not pick up before they went airside. Or, if everyone simply declared at security they had no ASIC, everyone would be turned back. Peacefully.
Such action would inconvenience the public for a while, and cost the airlines millions, so government would have to roll over in the national interest. They would adopt emergency measures within 48 hours for appropriate licences to be recognised as sufficient, if backed up by photo i.d. Then they would adopt a fit and proper person test (as the Kiwis do) for issue of licences. This would be good forever unless some criminal conviction followed.
Jobs for security snouts would still be safe as they would be able to pay more attention to non licensed lurkers and maybe run some patrols around the perimeter fence looking for Little Rocket Man.
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yeah I know not another ASIC bash!
Nah can't do anything about it sadly but wondering how many others have waited a LOT longer for their renewal to be completed? I've had a CASA ASIC for many years. Used to be around 2 weeks with that Co in YMER. Now they say AusCheck do the screening and can take 10 weeks......Christ it never ends!! -
Nah can't do anything about it sadly but wondering how many others have waited a LOT longer for their renewal to be completed? I've had a CASA ASIC for many years. Used to be around 2 weeks with that Co in YMER. Now they say AusCheck do the screening and can take 10 weeks......Christ it never ends!! -
yeah I know not another ASIC bash!
Nah can't do anything about it sadly but wondering how many others have waited a LOT longer for their renewal to be completed? I've had a CASA ASIC for many years. Used to be around 2 weeks with that Co in YMER. Now they say AusCheck do the screening and can take 10 weeks......Christ it never ends!! -
Nah can't do anything about it sadly but wondering how many others have waited a LOT longer for their renewal to be completed? I've had a CASA ASIC for many years. Used to be around 2 weeks with that Co in YMER. Now they say AusCheck do the screening and can take 10 weeks......Christ it never ends!! -
AusCheck - the mob who process the background checks migrated to a new system late last year. To say that it has become a dogs breakfast is an understatement.
10 weeks to process would be an absolute extreme case and I'd suggest you would have to have some form with courts to take that long.
At the moment, they are running about 2 - 3 weeks for Auscheck and however long then to get the card printed and sent out etc.
Please tell me you didn't go "that Co" They have caused the rest of us more grief than you can imagine.
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On a parallel note, can you renew your ASIC at any given time before expiration? Specifically, ASIC expiring in 7 months but for practical reasons, e.g. living overseas for a while, I'd rather have that processed while I'm here than having to come back or asking them to ship it to Uzbekistan.
PS. The ASIC was issued by CASA.
PS. The ASIC was issued by CASA.
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AusCheck - the mob who process the background checks migrated to a new system late last year. To say that it has become a dogs breakfast is an understatement.
10 weeks to process would be an absolute extreme case and I'd suggest you would have to have some form with courts to take that long.
At the moment, they are running about 2 - 3 weeks for Auscheck and however long then to get the card printed and sent out etc.
Please tell me you didn't go "that Co" They have caused the rest of us more grief than you can imagine.
AusCheck - the mob who process the background checks migrated to a new system late last year. To say that it has become a dogs breakfast is an understatement.
10 weeks to process would be an absolute extreme case and I'd suggest you would have to have some form with courts to take that long.
At the moment, they are running about 2 - 3 weeks for Auscheck and however long then to get the card printed and sent out etc.
Please tell me you didn't go "that Co" They have caused the rest of us more grief than you can imagine.
no previous criminal record of any kind, I've had an ASIC since they where invented, never been refused, flying for 40 years so am not new to this! I've never had a previous issue with that Co as you mentioned, always been very prompt. I was under the impression it would take 2-6 weeks, I gambled 4 weeks, a phone call latter was told up to 10 weeks, we are at the mercy of beuracracy at its worst in Australia!
Next time when I look at the crash axe in my cockpit I'll fondle my new ASIC I know I'm safe!
I had this same problem with auscheck a couple of renewals ago. No criminal record, no address change for 13 years, 6th or 7th ASIC renewal, but that seems to have absolutely nothing to do with it.
I think they told me their service delivery standard is actually 12 business weeks and you have zero cause for complaint anything within that time. It must be great working in the Government!
I think they told me their service delivery standard is actually 12 business weeks and you have zero cause for complaint anything within that time. It must be great working in the Government!
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I had this same problem with auscheck a couple of renewals ago. No criminal record, no address change for 13 years, 6th or 7th ASIC renewal, but that seems to have absolutely nothing to do with it.
I think they told me their service delivery standard is actually 12 business weeks and you have zero cause for complaint anything within that time. It must be great working in the Government!
I think they told me their service delivery standard is actually 12 business weeks and you have zero cause for complaint anything within that time. It must be great working in the Government!
As Sir Humphrey would posit, such an outrage will need a whole new department of staff to rectify...
Okihara,
In answer to your question. Technically yes you can renew the ASIC well before expiry in fact a lot of people do. If you go through the same issuing body they would probably ask to get your current ASIC off you before issuing the new one. I don't want to start the debate about having two cards, yes I know a lot of people do and for very good reason. Although the legislation is a bit unclear in this regard, there is nothing stopping a person from doing so.
KingRB,
12 weeks is an absolute worse case scenario. Most issuing bodies are averaging about three weeks to get the clearances through and in many cases a lot less.
In answer to your question. Technically yes you can renew the ASIC well before expiry in fact a lot of people do. If you go through the same issuing body they would probably ask to get your current ASIC off you before issuing the new one. I don't want to start the debate about having two cards, yes I know a lot of people do and for very good reason. Although the legislation is a bit unclear in this regard, there is nothing stopping a person from doing so.
KingRB,
12 weeks is an absolute worse case scenario. Most issuing bodies are averaging about three weeks to get the clearances through and in many cases a lot less.
We cannot let the terrorists change the way we live.
Off topic but my AVID card turned up in less than two weeks and this was my first ever Australian aviation background security check.... the last 35 years I’ve been everywhere else.
Im guessing that unless you need access to the secure areas of security controlled airports then the AVID may do the trick as an interim solution.
Im guessing that unless you need access to the secure areas of security controlled airports then the AVID may do the trick as an interim solution.