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Old 17th Apr 2019, 04:06
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CASA going overboard again

I recently received the following email from CASA.
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New eLearning on Class G airspace now live

Do you know what frequency to use for radio calls in non-controlled airspace, also known as ‘Class G’ airspace? Or what you are supposed to say? A new eLearning module is available now through CASA’s AviationWorx training portal.

It’s part of the new Be heard, be seen, be safe resource booklet, now available online and through the CASA Online Store. Along with the booklet, the eLearning module provides the recommended frequencies, phraseology and when to make a broadcast for pilots in Class G airspace.

It takes only 15 minutes and is available by logging into AviationWorx and selecting ‘Class G Airspace Radio Procedures’ course.
Why do they insist I get another account to use the AviationWorx? Whats wrong with the existing account I have to access their portal?
Why do I need to logon and identify to access education material?
Talk about making a simple activity tedious.
Only a government department could even contemplate such bullshit.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 07:26
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Only a government department could even contemplate such bullshit.
Something about left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing....
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 08:34
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Where's the right hand, again ??

Its CAsA that should be pitched overboard
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 12:51
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Why have a log-in at all? Just open source the page and the learning videos on it - it's not super secret squirrel info, after all. That avoids the admin costs of keeping log ins and what not as well.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 18:23
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Not as bad as the myGov website, change your login device and you are forced to create a new account, which is not a straight forward easy process. Why the simple things in life need to be made extremely difficult beats me. I guess it’s why we pay high taxes to keep the seat warmers in Canberra gainfully employed.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 23:27
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Whilst I kind of agree that you shouldn't have to log in, I think CASA are doing the right thing by trying to focus a bit more on e-learning.

I completed the 'course' in about 10 minutes last night and thankfully was already pretty across most of the procedures. Judging by some of the people on the radio at my local uncontrolled aerodrome, more people need to do this course for a bit of refresher training!

I've also found the CASA OnTrack YouTube videos generally helpful, especially when trying to learn a bit more about the not-so-well-published Class D procedures unique to that aerodrome.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 05:19
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Well, if you weren't required to login, all that money spent on setting up AviationWorx would have been wasted. ..... oh......
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 06:09
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So e-learning is the alternative to an experienced instructor theses days is it? When I mean experienced, I’m referring to an instructor with some commercial experience who has had a few scares in an aircraft, albeit if they are a GR 3.

Real experience and scenario based training will always be the only way that effective flight training can be achieved.

Off topic a wee bit, however I couldn’t resist😀
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 06:52
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Originally Posted by SHAGGS View Post
So e-learning is the alternative to an experienced instructor theses days is it? When I mean experienced, I’m referring to an instructor with some commercial experience who has had a few scares in an aircraft, albeit if they are a GR 3.

Real experience and scenario based training will always be the only way that effective flight training can be achieved.

Off topic a wee bit, however I couldn’t resist😀
I'm not suggesting that e-learning is a substitute for real seat time, and I doubt CASA is either. That said, how many pilots get their licence and then don't fly with an instructor except for a BFR...? If you are that sort of pilot, then e-learning is better than no learning.

I know that our beloved regulator falls short in many areas, and I've had my own frustrations dealing with certain CASA departments too. That said, I think you've got to give them some credit for at least trying to engage and educate GA pilots in the community. Have you ever attended any of the AvSafety seminars? I make sure that I go to the one at my local field each year and the content is generally relevant and thought-provoking.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 10:17
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Originally Posted by SHAGGS View Post
So e-learning is the alternative to an experienced instructor theses days is it?
e-learning is a good mitigator for the significant risk of change fatigue. From MBZ to CTAF (r) to whatever iteration of the last decade to what we have now and all the associated radio calls.

When not sure, people often defsult to what they first learned.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 21:52
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Agreed, however e-learning and safety seminars etc, should be backed up by good flight instruction, particularly for pilots who don’t fly regularly.
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 03:48
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Originally Posted by mullokintyre View Post
Why do they insist I get another account to use the AviationWorx? Whats wrong with the existing account I have to access their portal?
My guess is that it was cheaper to do it that way so gets a tick from me.

Originally Posted by mullokintyre View Post
Why do I need to logon and identify to access education material?
Talk about making a simple activity tedious.
Its used to keep records of training so an account is needed, sounds fair to me. People seem happy to have to login to NAIPS just to get weather and NOTAMS, now that seems tedious and onerous to me! As does not being able to download a pdf of the VFRG.

Originally Posted by mullokintyre View Post
Only a government department could even contemplate such bullshit.
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 08:57
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DJ, Doubt “People seem happy to have to login to NAIPS”, more likely given up trying to have it axed
Just another example of casa empire building
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 19:34
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NAIPS is Airsevices Australia
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 21:13
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My mistake, same principle though
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Old 22nd Apr 2019, 00:21
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People seem happy to have to login to NAIPS just to get weather and NOTAMS, now that seems tedious and onerous to me!
A log in to NAIPS is required so there is a record of your briefing i.e. who you are, the date & time of the briefing, what you requested and were provided with, which was current at that specific time.

For obvious reasons .....
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Old 22nd Apr 2019, 00:48
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A log in to NAIPS is required so there is a record of your briefing i.e. who you are, the date & time of the briefing, what you requested and were provided with, which was current at that specific time.
CAsA may be keeping the same records incase there is an incident/accident.
In future you may get a gentle reminder (text, email) that you have not visited the site for a while and you need to update, update, update
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Old 22nd Apr 2019, 03:19
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Where is the reference that states you must log in to NAIPS and NAIPS only prior to flight. Be a handy gotcha on tests etc.
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Old 22nd Apr 2019, 04:35
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Originally Posted by megle2 View Post
Where is the reference that states you must log in to NAIPS and NAIPS only prior to flight. Be a handy gotcha on tests etc.
M2,
Without some searching, I can't give you specific legislative references, there is more than one, but you are required by law to only used "approved" official sources of information for planning and operating your flight.

Met. is a good case in point, only observations from approved met. observers can be used, and Australia is about the only country I know where a PPL or higher licensed pilot, (base on the met. knowledge required by the syllabus) is NOT automatically an approved met. observer.

The genesis of this "vital and critical air safety legislation" ( to quote CASA testimony to a CASA Review hearing) is "interesting", it was the outcome of an industrial dispute, many years ago, between BoM and the union that represented most of its members -- to severely limit the number of non-union member met. observers.

As for NOTAMs etc., AsA is the only approved source (that I know of) in AU for such data.

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Old 22nd Apr 2019, 12:03
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post
M2,
Without some searching, I can't give you specific legislative references, there is more than one, but you are required by law to only used "approved" official sources of information for planning and operating your flight.

Met. is a good case in point, only observations from approved met. observers can be used, and Australia is about the only country I know where a PPL or higher licensed pilot, (base on the met. knowledge required by the syllabus) is NOT automatically an approved met. observer.

The genesis of this "vital and critical air safety legislation" ( to quote CASA testimony to a CASA Review hearing) is "interesting", it was the outcome of an industrial dispute, many years ago, between BoM and the union that represented most of its members -- to severely limit the number of non-union member met. observers.

As for NOTAMs etc., AsA is the only approved source (that I know of) in AU for such data.

Tootle pip!!
Look if we are going to be technical, you don't need to log into NAIPS if its a local flight, say from one local unregistered airport to another unregistered airport.

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