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Old 5th Nov 2019, 00:11
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Completely separate, and of wider significance, is the aviation safety argument, which i will be compelled to outline publicly, as all of the information is already with Mr Carmody, and available to him as part of his decision making. I will certainly be publishing that on here. I am convinced that he also now making decisions placing his own interest ahead of aviation safety. The safety argument will not be stopped by anyone. Full stop.

Similarly, there is an ethics in Government, human decency, respect, bullying, intimidating, mental health etc argument. Admittedly that also is a safety argument, but im talking specifically about people acting reasonably with each other. Its just about being professional, well intentioned etc. That stems right from the top of an organisation, i know. Just like Mr Carmody, i was the CEO of an Organisation that was all about aviation safety. I diligently applied myself to my task, and acted with ethics. That argument will also continue on here. But it is the truth, it is in the public interest, and it does need people to really stand up and make a statement. Im no martyr, and i dont want to be "the one". I have an advantage over the rest of you. I have absolutely NOTHING left to lose. So that argument will continue, and i invite any media to contact me,
But Glen, they are going to argue that what they did to you was in the interests of the safety of air navigation. Some of them probably earnestly believe that’s true. That’s one of the reasons they are so dangerous to the industry.


They are just going to put a bunch of high sounding poppycock in a sentence that includes the phrase “safety of air navigation”, and every layperson will be on their side and not yours. CASA regulates on the basis of public perception and fear. CASA can make the public scared of you and grateful for CASA.

They asked you for evidence of the risk you assert, because they know you can’t produce it. The risks we are talking about are just at the margins of very low probabilities. CASA’s counter-productive activities merely move remote probabilities to less remote possibilities. The only way to prove that is to wait 10 years and a few hundred thousand flying hours.

This is why the flying public is so lucky that much of what CASA does has so little causal connection with safety outcomes. It is sickening that the businesses and careers and aspirations of so many are unnecessarily destroyed by CASA incompetence and zealotry, but the public doesn’t care. Their perception is that CASA is keeping them safe.
Have a lovely day Mr Carmody, i feel industry will lose confidence in you. I am on the cusp of formally writing to the PM, and accusing you of malfeasance in public office. Obviiously, you can initiate legal action on me, but that will only accelerate these matters being bought out in public
That’s a legal argument.

If you’d read the Polar Aviation / Clarke Butson Federal Court decisions that I spoon fed you at post #389 over 2 months ago, you’d know that your allegation will almost certainly crash and burn, as will most of the matters listed in your post #791 yesterday.

And what fool with any experience in industry would have had confidence in Mr Carmody in the first place? Confidence that he’d do what, precisely? (Though, when I come to think of it, Mr Carmody has done precisely what I was confident he would do. But I don’t think we’re talking about the same expectations.)

Please do less transmitting and more receiving. Start at the links in my post #389.

We’re on your side. We’re trying as best we can to focus your finite energy where it may be most productive for you and your supporters.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 02:19
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The Safety Risk

For perfect clarity, and said on more than one occasion and in front of witnesses, by the previous incumbent to Mr Craig Martin. a gentleman by the name of Peter White. A man of enormous integrity and ethics, and probably "too big a thinker " for CASA. He was the previously the Executive Manager for Regulatory Services and surveillance. He looked after this matter initially and worked professionally towards a resolution. He "seemed to disappear" and left CASA. Mr Martin, then took over in an "acting" role.

The words of the Executive manager Regulatory Services and Surveillance, 12 months ago said...….

"There are two types of risk. Safety Risk and Regulatory Risk. This is certainly not a safety risk, I understand that. We are talking only about regulatory risk".

For complete clarity, CASA has never put forward any safety argument, ever. This is about "other" things. They will never even dare to try and put forward a safety argument.

Let me simply use Ballarat Aero Club as an example, They will appreciate that I am actually presenting their interests.

Ballarat had effectively ceased operating, after almost reaching 100 years of operation.
They joined APTA. Very quickly they became vibrant again.
They conducted their first ever instrument rating.
They invested significantly in a sim.
They will testify, it was a vibrant GA rural aero club again, in fact no club in Australia would have achieved the percentage growth that they did.
The APTA and CASA approved model worked.

Now take all that out of it, and lets look at safety only.

In the APTA model (that CASA designed over many years with me 600 required items, issued the Part 141/142 Approval, audited etc),

The Ballarat Aero Club had access to an annual safety department budget of $250,000 ( industry leading, I suggest).

I will write to the Ballarat Aero Club, and ask what their projected safety budget is for next year. I suggest, it will be about 1/50th of that, and in fact as a Part 141 only school, they don't even need to have a safety manager or safety management system.

Surely that's a reasonable safety argument.




They have identified a "regulatory risk" but cannot clearly or concisely cant pin point it (because there isn't one).


CASA cannot, and will be completely unable to provide a supporting safety case, in fact quite the opposite, and Mr Carmody has some "very concerning statistics".

I will only say that prior to the Regional Manager, Mr Mc Heyzer forcing a new model that he refers to as "direct operational control" the pilots had a more robust safety department, a Safety Manager, a safety management system, high levels of oversight, mentoring, regular meetings, strong admin support etc.

Mr Mc Heyzers new model, effectively introduced on July 1st 2019 or thereabouts, takes those resources away. Mr Carmody now has statistics for the new CASA direct operational control model, and its effect on safety.

He has figures for July, August, September and October.

Or perhaps Mr Carmody could ask the pilots, or the aero clubs, or the committees of those aero clubs, or the maintenance people, or the admin staff, or the Key Personnel, or the management. Simply ask them to tell the truth. I don't know the answer, but the truth would sort it out.

"Which did you feel was safer, the new CASA imposed "direct operational control" as the Region Manager, calls it, or the APTA model that CASA designed, approved, audited and recommended previously?

I wonder if there are any trends. Im not sure, I don't have access to them any more. Im not talking about "blips", im talking about "smack you in the face statistics" that you cant accept, because you have "other interests".

As pilots and engineers, with a lifetime of experience in this industry, and in fact the vast majority of CASA personnel know, extremely stubborn pilots who refuse to admit they are wrong, get people killed Mr Carmody. Its a dangerous trait in this industry.


I am being somewhat cautious what I write on here, but this is also my "central dumping point", and somewhere I direct "observers" to, after an initial briefing.


Please understand my perspective. There is now a very heavy burden on me, there really is. I simply cannot walk away from this now, I really cant. As well intentioned as this is, can you imagine how much damage I will have caused.

If CASA personnel can act so inappropriately and wreak so much havoc and destruction, and have it vindicated then I will have put the final nail I the coffin for GA in Australia. I am compelled now, I really am.

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Old 5th Nov 2019, 21:36
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Glen,

Please stop posting on PPRuNe.

Go see your lawyers and begin definitive action against CASA. Keep all evidence you have confidential until presented at court or required by discovery. DO NOT give the bastards any MORE ammo to fire back at you.

I repeat. Stop posting on PPRuNe anywhere at all.

We are all on your side and many have tried to advise you as I have. Please Listen.

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Dam!,
My wife reads PPRuNe now. Shes going to come home and say "Hey, I told you that you shouldn't be posting, and everyone else says the same.

Gulp!

Darling, there were heaps of socks this morning, and I folded them all up, and ummmmm. I love you.

Gulp!


I get it folks I really do. As they say, "until you've walked in those shoes.....". PPRuNe really has been important to me. In fact I've kept off the other forums, and only vented here. It has helped me enormously, so it is a bit of a "crutch", in fact, a very important crutch.

I am now at the stage where I sit in the car at the kids sports and avoid the other Dads. The conversation generally drifts to "How's work....?", how do I respond to that,

I wince, and say "great". Later they find out through the neighbourhood network. Glen lost his business, his home everything.

Alternatively I say, "well I lost my business, my home, savings, and basically everything this year. As you know I had the flying school, and CASA took action that lead to its closure". We all know what people outside of aviation will think. "Whats he really done".

Easier to sit in the car, sadly

So it also gives me a forum, to try and publicly protect my reputation and my rather tattered self esteem.

I really do get the "risk" of letting CASA prepare their "defence" etc by me dumping on here, but it serves many purposes. It also allows me to direct people to a place where all information is available, rather than retelling a traumatic story that I have had to recount to people verbally far too many times. Now I can say "Its a long story, just go to PPRuNe if your really interested." It helps.

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It's a pity some handles can't post on here due to their 'identities' being known. Regardless, any legal action you take that would see a subpoena issued would be more than interesting.

I would love to get on here and give you the stats that Ballarat Aero Club achieved (through a friend who works there of course!!), not only ME-IR's but their first ever Instructor Rating. A local bloke, now employed by the club, he didn't have to leave Ballarat to look for work.

Ready for some more advice Glen??

Post on here as much as you like, subject to legal advice of course.

I know only too well the need for a good rant and the support of people who've gone through similar life events. Despite what you may think, when this is all resolved you'll be a valuable commodity in the aviation business, I speak from experience, not only my own but others who've been able to recover from massive kicks in the balls!
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 23:21
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If you hadn’t put all of this on PPRuNe, I certainly wouldn’t have even known about your saga and therefore would not have been able to contribute to your fighting fund.
Because you have shared this very disturbing story, I have been able to support you and to spread your story to others in the industry.
You have done nothing wrong so why the hell should you just go quietly into the night?
I can’t even begin to comprehend how much your life has been turned upside down by this corrupt organisation.
Keep doing what you’re doing Glen.
As you’ve said before, you’ve got absolutely nothing left to lose!
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 00:34
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It’s not about Glen not telling any of his story, at all (and I hope that my posts haven’t been interpreted as suggesting that Glen should not have told any of his story).

It’s about where Glen is now in the story, and what Glen should be saying now. At this point in the story, CASA has effectively said they don’t care anymore (although I’m guessing there’ll be a few of them diverting their time to considering writing threatening letters about defamation). The government doesn’t care either.

At this point in the story, it’s effectively put up or shut up on the litigation threat. If any litigation is going to be commenced, Glen should be listening to his lawyer’s advice about what to say and not to say publicly about it. If the advice he is given is to the effect: keep up the public commentary, then go for it.
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I am concerned not to be a cheerleader for litigation. I suggest all should think likewise. Its not us who bear the emotional and physical cost of such a battle nor do we wear the consequences. We are nothing more than cheap talk on the internet.

Glen, nobody will think the worse of you if you walk away from this situation. We don't count. Do what's best for you and your family.
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An appeal to the CASA Board, sent 6/11/19

To each and every Member of the Board:

My suggestion of making an allegation of malfeasance against Mr Carmody is sincere, well considered, properly intentioned, truthful, supported, and primarily intended in the interests of aviation safety.

I am calling on the Board for good governance to prevail, and to intervene if required.

On that “governance” consideration alone, the four personnel cannot continue to operate, in an operational role where they are making decisions that affect safety and businesses. They must be stood aside until my allegations can be refuted, with no suggestion of innocence or guilt attached, and obviously on full pay and conditions. Obviously not my decisions to make, but that would be the fair and reasonable thing to do. That is what I would have done when I was CEO of my own “safety” organisation.

I am formally calling on the Board to intervene, and demonstrate the qualities that the industry, and the Australian public expect of any Board, and most certainly a Board with the Australian Coat of Arms hanging above it, and also as Australia’s safety regulator, CASA. Seriously. It is reasonable.

Those four personnel must have the allegations made against them seriously considered, and especially if they are to continue in an operational role. If you will not act on good governance, I will clearly place the supporting safety case here.

The APTA 142 model provided all 10 members with a safety department with group funding of $250,000 per annum. In the new CASA enforced system, being applied to APTA uniquely, and not other flight training organisations. The Ballarat Aero Club will become a 141 school, and lose any regulatory obligation to run a safety management system, or have a safety manager. I suggest the aero clubs safety budget will reduce to $5000, as it is forced out of APTA.

The new “direct operational” control model that is being forced on member schools against their clear preference is a system that provides significantly lower levels of auditing, mentoring, professional development courses, testing, feedback, safety resourcing etc. The new CASA ‘model” is clearly failing, as I advised.

Accidents and incidents are increasing at a concerning rate CASA have the statistics. This is exactly, as I repeatedly, and in writing advised, it is not the individual operators fault, it is the CASA system being forced on flying school against their clear preference. Any system with less auditing, mentoring, professional development, testing, feedback, safety resourcing, funding etc will most likely result in degraded safety outcomes.

If you have any doubt, simply ask the Ballarat Aero Club, any of the instructors, any of the aircraft owners, committee members, the students, and their families. “Was the previously approved APTA system safer, or do you think the “direct operational control” model is safer.” You will be alarmed, I can assure you. I think you will find an overwhelming response.

This matter can only grow, and gain more attention. It will simultaneously become more “embarrassing’. If it wasn’t such a hazardous behaviour, I could only describe it as child like. It must be stopped at Board level.

At this stage, I have no intention to publish this letter, but will do so on Friday at 5PM, if important safety matters are not addressed. For clarity. In my professional opinion, I believe that CASA actions and decisions being made by those four personnel, unacceptably increase the chance of an aviation incident or accident. There are Board Members of CASA who are, or have been, pilots. On that alone, and with that knowledge, those particular board members will be compelled to act. This is not a matter to be engaging in bullying or intimidation. I simply ask the same questions of you, that you should be asking of Mr Carmody:
  1. What is the “safety case” supporting the initial action over 12 months ago, against APTA?
  2. If there is no supporting safety case, please open the regulations and show me clearly and concisely the regulation/s that were broken if any.
  3. If there is no supporting safety case, and there have been no regulatory breaches identified, we are dealing with opinion. Whose “opinion” is it? We need a name.
  4. Are we (Mr Carmody and the Board), prepared to fully stand behind those four personnel that Glen Buckley has named?
  5. Are we all (Mr Carmody and the Board) aware of CASAs regulatory philosophy, and other obligations and expectations placed on us.
  6. Is it true that a number of businesses have closed down, and people have lost their livelihoods?
  7. Please outline what we are now intending to achieve, and any positive safety outcomes achieved.
As I have repeatedly advised. I am fully available to travel anywhere in Australia, to meet with any two members of the Board, at short notice.

The purpose of this correspondence is to provide the Board with time to consider their actions and decisions. In the interests of safety, and to encourage good decision making. I require only an acknowledgement that this correspondence has been received by all members of the Board. If CASA are compelled to provide a written response, I understand. I believe that there will be less pressure, and better decisions will be made if the obligation is a simple acknowledgement of distribution and receipt to all Board Members.

Respectfully, Glen.
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The pigs are busy at the trough


Glen, the Board are too busy at the moment to deal with your allegations. As Board members and business people, they are much to busy serving on other Boards and managing personal business than to attend to your accusations. There are luncheons to attend, investments to oversee and bank accounts and superannuation funds to keep topped up. There are deals to be made, mates to look after and high level connections to maintain if future plum positions are to be assured. There are taxpayer troughs to indulge in, a Ministers back passage to lick and corporate credit cards to rack up!

And I dont want to forget that the Board is also busy trying to avoid personal accountability, any form of commitment, answering yes or no on any matter, holding the DAS or the departments public servants to account, ensuring obsfucation is at their forefront, writing reports containing no teal purpose other than to fill up pages and pages of bureaucratic spin and departmental wank words.

But Im sure they will get back to you Glen when they find time.





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Originally Posted by Paragraph377

Glen, the Board are too busy at the moment to deal with your allegations. As Board members and business people, they are much to busy serving on other Boards and managing personal business than to attend to your accusations. There are luncheons to attend, investments to oversee and bank accounts and superannuation funds to keep topped up. There are deals to be made, mates to look after and high level connections to maintain if future plum positions are to be assured. There are taxpayer troughs to indulge in, a Ministers back passage to lick and corporate credit cards to rack up!

And I dont want to forget that the Board is also busy trying to avoid personal accountability, any form of commitment, answering yes or no on any matter, holding the DAS or the departments public servants to account, ensuring obsfucation is at their forefront, writing reports containing no teal purpose other than to fill up pages and pages of bureaucratic spin and departmental wank words.

But Im sure they will get back to you Glen when they find time.





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I'm surprised nobody's posted the specifics of the annual remuneration packages published in CASA's Annual Report 2018-19: https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/defaul...-2018-2019.pdf

Shane Carmody: $668,640

Graham Crawford: $503,785

Jonathan Aleck: $366,395

(See Part 7 Appendix B Table B.5. Lots of other 'interesting' information about remuneration there.)

Safety costs!

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199 pages of Malakia !
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$48,500.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/glen-buck...Xpz3Mt3w1v5h0A
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Carmody, Crawford and Aleck could certainly all afford to contribute to the go fund me on those salaries!!!


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Glen, CASA is going to wait you out. Give it away and go smell the flowers. They aren’t worth it.
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
Glen, CASA is going to wait you out. Give it away and go smell the flowers. They arent worth it.
Why would you not fight for what you believe in?

Oh, you have something to lose? Some people dont...
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Your talking about someone else fighting. You have no right to encourage them when you aren’t going to pay the price of failure.
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Is it worth it

Im heading off for a coffee (their shout) with some friends, and when I get an hour or so today (more likely tonight) I will attend very comprehensively as to why I simply cannot give up.

But let me state very clearly that only two things will stop me,

One. A stress induced heart attack OR
Two. My wife asking me to stop for her own welfare, or that of the children.

Full stop!

Or, this not getting the industry support that it should.

The "crushing" that CASA will bring to bear on me, has already been done.
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Reason One i will not give up.

First, and foremost my lovely wife of 25 years.

She works in aged care, she does it with the most amazing respect, humility, consideration, and ethics. It truly blows me away. Of late, she has worked 7 days a week. She does in home care, and is highly in demand by her clients. She has as much work as she wants, and I suggest she is averaging a 50 to 60 hour week at the moment. Unfortunately, it is poorly paid, and requires a significant amount of driving.

On occasions, she has been presented with the opportunity to bypass the agency, and deal direct with the clients. We are under significant financial pressure, we discussed it. Her response “No, it would feel like, I am having an affair.”

I am truly a blessed man, but I am not as healthy as my wife, and in all likelihood she will live for many more years than me. I know what substandard aged care looks like. My wife is not going to spend her final years, relying on the Government to look after her. I will ensure that until her very last breath on this planet, she will be warm, she wont smell like piss, and someone will stroke her every waking moment that she breathes, if that is what is required. If I cannot be by her side, I will have funds to ensure it happens.

The actions of some personnel within CASA were so inappropriate, and took that away from her,that they need to fully understand my determination to have their conduct independently assessed. If Mr Carmody will not do it, I will shortly call on the Board. Eventually, it will be assessed.
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