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Old 5th Apr 2019, 09:35
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The Australian Coat of Arms and casa




Sorry folk, Im not really good with computers and I was trying to cut out an image of the Australian Coat of Arms. Someone installed a snipping tool on my computer, and im just learning. Don't get distracted by the unnecessary words that I accidentally picked up and couldn't get rid of. That rubbish, its only words, and it means nothing. Try and pretend the words don't even exist. In the context of this discussion please completely ignore them. Please don't let them distract you, and don't think about them again. Put them completely out of your mind.


I actually wanted to talk about the Australian Coat of Arms. Yes, you know that symbol in the top left hand corner. That emblem sitting proudly atop that page of mumbo jumbo. Has it completely lost its value? Its not the same emblem that Australian soldiers wear on their uniform is it? Actually, I think it might be. I think,... leadership, ethics, courage, determination, valour, principles. etc. Its more significant than the Australian Flag. I mean, anyone can go buy an Australian flag. The Australian Coat of Arms, you have to earn that don't you?. That's more like a Seal of Government, almost the highest assurance of quality there is, isn't it?

I guess its the Governments job to ensure those standards are maintained. Who is our Deputy Prime Minister again? Probably not worth learning now, he's only around until just after the school holidays anyway. Lets hope so!.

To Mr Albanese or Mr Joyce, whoever gets the mantle next. The task is substantive, but please try and drag CASA back up the values that they are required to demonstrate if they want that Coat of Arms atop their Organisation.It actually effects thousands of Australian Small Businesses, and the people who depend on them for their livelihood.



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Old 5th Apr 2019, 10:06
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Actually that Coat of Arms is not the real CAsA crest.
To see that , view that image under UV light and you will see its actually the boxing Kangaroo holding down and giving it to the Emu , bird, flightless....as in a helpless position , as is GA
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 12:10
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Remember when the CASA logo was a Bullet Point from Microsoft Word!
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 21:44
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https://www.pmc.gov.au/sites/default...Guidelines.pdf
Fun fact #548:
Not all that long ago, a certain Aviation Safety Authority got a butt kicking for using the Australian Coat of Arms as watermarked paper that various official certificates were issued on.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 06:37
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Was a time when the logo was an 'arrow head' angling upwards.
Easy to rotate down and add smoke trailing , as she goes down like a shot duck.
Bit like GA really.
And then there was with 3 major arrows pointing every which way ...a sure indication that they didnt know where they were heading either...lost and confused,
Bit like GA really.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 07:26
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How odd. The OP is cheering on an ALP victory, fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The irony is that he then pretends to be concerned about small business - the very antithesis of his politics.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 09:46
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For clarity, I have no political preference, and Barnaby Joyce is actually part of the Nats. I only suggest that the discontent with the current deputy PM will cost him his position.

Regarding the small business, I do operate a small business in the aviation sector, but that is not the only determinant in my voting preferences
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 05:13
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Thanks to Thunderbird for posting the link to the Department of PM and Cabinet guidelines for using the coat of arms.

I noticed this point - surely having the Arms next to "Civil Aviation Safety Authority" breaches the following rule?
As an important and unique symbol, the Arms should be used with dignity and respect, in particular:
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 The dignity of the Arms should not be compromised by any adjacent signs or features
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 06:41
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I always thought CAsA was a wholly government owned corporation. They did that to separate the government from any responsibility for the actions of CAsA. Also to enable them to pay themselves way above industry standards while retaining public servants perks.
Seems they are part of government when it suits, then a corporation when it doesn't. Just an idea, but couldn't we push for a listing on the stock exchange. We could all buy shares, vote the board and chairman out of office and get some people in who could manage for real......okay a girl can dream and I'm well aware you cannot turn a frog into a prince with a Kiss, I know because I've kissed a few frogs in my time.

I don't thing using the Coat of Arms for nefarious purposes is new. I've seen a few documents with commonwealth letter head used by the operators of a secondary airport to write their own EPA approval justifying the closure of a runway contrary to their lease, and dump a few million tonnes of asbestos contaminated fill on a flood plain to build a DFO complex, placed nicely where an Essendon event would definitely be a possibility.

It's amazing what political donations can achieve, and the best part, by the time the cancer clusters start showing up downstream those responsible will be long gone.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 08:29
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Originally Posted by thorn bird View Post
I always thought CAsA was a wholly government owned corporation.
CASA isn't and never was a corporation.

They are a government statutory authority, same as AMSA, ACMA and a bunch of others.

You won't see them listed on the stock exchange ...
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 10:08
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As with many posts on PPRuNe, the content of the previous couple are ‘a little bit’ correct. Here’s what the Civil Aviation Act says:
8 Establishment of CASA

(1) An authority called the Civil Aviation Safety Authority is established by this subsection.

(2) CASA:

(a) is a body corporate with perpetual succession;

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So CASA is a corporation.

But CASA isn’t a corporation with shares that are owned by anyone. Nor is its constitution determined by the Corporations Law.

And the answer to the use of the Coat of Arms?

About 20 years ago each and every government department and agency was spending an enormous amount of money coming up with their own attempts at the Nike ‘tick’ or the Coca Cola font or the Apple apple to symbolise the activities of the department/agency. That includes rainforests of trees sacrificed for the stationery with the latest logo.

A government (whose flavour I cannot recall) stepped in and said: Bullshit. Stop wasting all this money and just use the Commonwealth Coat of Arms. And that was a bloody good decision, in my view.

It would be refreshing if some government were able, some time, to apply the same decisiveness to some of the other bullshit on which the public sector wastes billions.

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Old 8th Apr 2019, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
But CASA isn’t a corporation with shares that are owned by anyone. Nor is its constitution determined by the Corporations Law.
And the answer to the use of the Coat of Arms?
Folks,
But : Commonwealth Authorities and Companies Act 1997 does play a role.
And------ A number of us will well remember the CASA seeking exemption for the standards of behaviour and probity demanded of all employees subject to the above Act, ie CASA.
I wonder why they would want/do that??
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 11:46
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The Commonwealth Authorities and Companies Act 1997 has been repealed...
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
The Commonwealth Authorities and Companies Act 1997 has been repealed...
LB,
But it was a major issue at the time, the fact that the then CEO/DAS wanted his troops exempted from legislated standards of behaviour, in favor of a CASA home made set of "standards" was not welcomed by anybody in the industry, from the AATA and BAR to the various alphabet soup orgs.
Tootle pip!!

PS: Does the:Public Governance, Performance and Accountability (Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Act 2014 entirely replace the 1997 Act?
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 12:25
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No.

The Public Governance, Performance and Accountability Act 2013 functionally ‘replaced’ the Commonwealth Authorities and Companies Act 1997 (among other pieces of legislation).

The Public Governance, Performance and Accountability (Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Act 2014 dealt with consequential and transitional issues arising from the repeal of, among other pieces of legislation, the Commonwealth Authorities and Companies Act 1997, and their replacement with the Public Governance, Performance and Accountability Act 2013.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 05:38
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Regarding CAsA seeking reduces standards for themselves. They sure did get away with that one !!
CAsA's " Code of Conduct" is a basic BS motherhood statement that they choose to ignore.
Read the same for the Australian Public Service Commission. You'll be amazed at the difference..
All the section regarding any criminality is missing from CAsA's.
How delightfully convenient to cover the arse and get off the hook of due legal process. as normal with the rule of law.
But not for these people. Its a bloody disgrace.
ONLY CAsA believes its own BS statement ...we believe in a just culture. Just arse in fact.
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