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Incident at Mount Gambier

Old 12th Dec 2018, 11:25
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Originally Posted by On eyre View Post
There you go DF - excuse me for a moment but I think a flock of pigs just flew by.
Very possibly!

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Old 12th Dec 2018, 11:28
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
The ATSB report says it was Charter, if there were 9 POB Iím surprised that nothing else has appeared on social media or in the press.

Hell of a good job in either case getting it back on the ground without killing or injuring anyone.
If my source is correct, the 9 POB were CFS volunteers - which could explain why they are keeping schtum.

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Old 13th Dec 2018, 07:10
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It's a long time ago, and I am not sure of the story in any detail . .. . but Keith Virtue was an ANA senior pilot who allegedly allowed a DC4 at EagleFarm/Brisbane to land wheels up, in the full knowledge, as it later transpired, of what was about to happen. The rumour mill said that Keith was so pissed off with various slacknesses with SOPs and checklists he just shut his trap and let it happen.

This how the press reported ti -
K. VIRTUE RELIEVED OF FLYING DUTIES

MELBOURNE, December I.1954— Captain Keith Virtue, Australian air-mileage 'millionaire,' has been grounded by Australian National Airway*.

The company has relieved him of flying duties, and isholding a ground post open
for him at Brisbane. Meanwhile, Captain Virtue, whohas been flying for 28 years,
s on holidays. van
ANA.'s managing director,Captain I. Holyman, said today he did not know what
Virtue Intended to do.
Captain Virtue was incharge of an ANA plane,which belly-landed without itswheels down, at EagleFarm airport, Brisbane, onNovember INo one washurt.Captain Virtue's flying banapplies only to ANA. planes.

The Civil Aviation Department has not taken any action on his licence.
Captain Virtue has flownnearly 4,000,000 miles withouta crash, and is reckoned one
of the most seasoned pilotsIn the world. In 38 years ofcommercial and private flying,i
he has logged about 23,000hours — just on three years —n the air.

At 45, he has spent at least2000 more hours in the air
man any other Australian,and three or (our years agohe said he looked forward to
another 10 years' flying.He Is at home in Blmostany type of aircraft, having flown 25 different kinds ofplanes on regular commercial
Virtue admitted Inff
Brisbane to-night he hadmade a mistake. He was reerring to the belly-landing at
Eagle Farm.
'I forgot to put the undercarriage down,' Captain Virue said. 'With First Officer
R. Hughes at the controls. crew was trying a newprocedure in circuits andlanding.'
He said on Monday A.N.A.managing director (CaptainI. Holyman) grounded him.

Captain Holyman told me Imight make the same mistakeagain,' Captain Virtue said.
'But this could not happen In a thousand years.'Captain Holyman had told
him he would not be allowedagain to fly ANA, aircraft.







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Old 13th Dec 2018, 07:47
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I seem to remember about 20 years ago a similar incident in a Learjet owned by a Jewish guy with a green bentley and operated by a DC3 mob at EN. It was doing circuits at AV with IIRC CASA flying it. Gear wasn't down, and the windscreen picture looked a bit lower than normal. They firewalled it and went around. The only casualty was one antenna on the bottom of the aircraft.

Does anyone else recall similar?
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Old 13th Dec 2018, 08:49
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
I seem to remember about 20 years ago a similar incident in a Learjet owned by a Jewish guy with a green bentley and operated by a DC3 mob at EN. It was doing circuits at AV with IIRC CASA flying it. Gear wasn't down, and the windscreen picture looked a bit lower than normal. They firewalled it and went around. The only casualty was one antenna on the bottom of the aircraft.

Does anyone else recall similar?
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...aair199802529/
Gates Learjet Corporation 35A, VH-JIG, Avalon Airport, Vic, 24 June 1998

The flight proceeded normally up to the point of the simulated engine failure at V1. When the instructor simulated a right engine failure by placing the thrust lever in the IDLE position, the aircraft drifted to the right. Intervention by the instructor enabled the aircraft to return to balanced flight. The handling pilot continued to carry out the 700-ft circuit in the after-takeoff configuration of gear UP and flap 8. Flap 20 was selected during the base turn. The aircraft was flared normally with both thrust levers in the IDLE position. As the aircraft settled, a slight vibration was noticed, and both pilots became aware that the landing gear was still selected UP. Go-round power was applied and the aircraft climbed away. The landing gear was cycled normally and the aircraft returned for a full stop landing. A subsequent inspection of the aircraft showed that the only evidence of a runway strike was abrasion of the lower fuselage mounted very high frequency (VHF) blade antenna.
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Old 13th Dec 2018, 09:48
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Similarly, Chieftain VH-TXK ground off an antenna at Townsville in 2015.

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2015-008/

On 9 January 2015, a pilot in-command-under-supervision (ICUS), and a supervising pilot, operated a Piper PA-31-350 aircraft, registered VH-TXK, on a charter flight from Palm Island to Townsville, Queensland, with seven passengers on board. At about 1630 Eastern Standard Time (EST), air traffic control (ATC) cleared the aircraft to conduct a visual approach via a left base, to runway 07 at Townsville Airport.When about 4 NM from the runway, the pilot ICUS performed the pre-landing checks, but omitted to extend the landing gear. The supervising pilot confirmed the mixture, fuel pumps and landing lights had been set correctly, and assumed the rest of the checks had been similarly completed. As the pilot ICUS flared the aircraft to land, he anticipated the landing gear touching down on the runway, but as it did not occur when he expected, he commenced a go-around. Neither of the pilots heard an aural gear warning horn sound. As the pilot ICUS commenced the go-around, a VHF antenna fitted to the underside of the aircraft fuselage contacted the runway. The pilot ICUS established the aircraft in a slow cruise configuration, extended flap and selected the landing gear lever to the extended position. The landing gear extended and locked and three green lights indicated a safe extension. The aircraft subsequently landed on runway 07 without further incident.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 02:38
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
I seem to remember about 20 years ago a similar incident in a Learjet owned by a Jewish guy with a green bentley and operated by a DC3 mob at EN. It was doing circuits at AV with IIRC CASA flying it. Gear wasn't down, and the windscreen picture looked a bit lower than normal. They firewalled it and went around. The only casualty was one antenna on the bottom of the aircraft.

Does anyone else recall similar?
Sure do Stallie, and during subsequent meetings between the involved parties, others were seen sneaking along past the office windows with antennae on their heads so positioned that only said antenna were visible from inside the office. It must have been very hard for some to keep a straight face.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 02:47
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Second hand information for Mt Gambier says cloud was broken at 400ft. Both RNAVs get you down to 530 (or thereabouts). Maybe that's why the circuit at 300 feet?

This morning, 2 x B200s depart YPAD for Kangaroo Island.

YKSC weather indicates cloud base and viz varying - TAF said BKN010, specis show lower. RNAVs are for 01/19, which is NOTAMed closed to charter aircraft due WIP. Of the 3 runways available, only 15/33 open for use - 06/24 NOTAMed as not available.

FlightAware shows first B200 sliding down the RNAV, to conduct a circling approach at about 500 feet at speeds varying between 100 and 180 knots to land on 15 / 33. (Circling minima published as 840).
Less than 10 minutes behind, FlightAware shows second B200 sliding down the RNAV, missed approach, sliding down the RNAV, missed approach, return to YPAD, halfway back to Adelaide, turn around and come back to YKSC, slide down the RNAV again, missed approach and return to YPAD. Where it appears to remain on the apron.

At the same time, the Right Honourable Leon Bignell is updating his Instagram account about how his charter flight to Kangaroo Island is unable to land due to weather.
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Should that be in Spotters Corner?
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 07:09
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This morning, 2 x B200s depart YPAD for Kangaroo Island.

YKSC weather indicates cloud base and viz varying - TAF said BKN010, specis show lower. RNAVs are for 01/19, which is NOTAMed closed to charter aircraft due WIP. Of the 3 runways available, only 15/33 open for use - 06/24 NOTAMed as not available.

FlightAware shows first B200 sliding down the RNAV, to conduct a circling approach at about 500 feet at speeds varying between 100 and 180 knots to land on 15 / 33. (Circling minima published as 840).
Less than 10 minutes behind, FlightAware shows second B200 sliding down the RNAV, missed approach, sliding down the RNAV, missed approach, return to YPAD, halfway back to Adelaide, turn around and come back to YKSC, slide down the RNAV again, missed approach and return to YPAD. Where it appears to remain on the apron.

At the same time, the Right Honourable Leon Bignell is updating his Instagram account about how his charter flight to Kangaroo Island is unable to land due to weather.
Looking at the track log of the second one I wouldn't go so far as to say he/she got halfway back to Adelaide before turning around, & it also shows that it landed at YKSC & not returned to Adelaide as you claim.

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Old 10th Jun 2019, 03:01
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Is the B200 VH-ODI still at Mt. Gambier? has it been repaired or salvaged?
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 09:14
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Is the B200 VH-ODI still at Mt. Gambier? has it been repaired or salvaged?
Wrecked and sold interstate.

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Old 10th Jun 2019, 09:46
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Maybe it was an Insurance scam....
Hope the ATSB noticed the prop-strike marks on the tarmac in front of the plane...
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 10:00
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Originally Posted by scifi View Post
Maybe it was an Insurance scam....
Hope the ATSB noticed the prop-strike marks on the tarmac in front of the plane...
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The plane must have gone backwards after making those marks then I suppose. 😬
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[QUOTE=Mumbai Merlin;10490228]Is the B200 VH-ODI still at Mt. Gambier? has it been repaired or salvaged?[/QUOT

It's at sunshine coast airport. The new owners are repairing it now
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[QUOTE=Rivetsmasher;10603528]
Originally Posted by Mumbai Merlin View Post
Is the B200 VH-ODI still at Mt. Gambier? has it been repaired or salvaged?[/QUOT

It's at sunshine coast airport. The new owners are repairing it now
Really? As I said in the post above I was told it had been wrecked.

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[QUOTE=Desert Flower;10603805][QUOTE=Rivetsmasher;10603528]

Really? As I said in the post above I was told it had been wrecked.

It was purchased cheap and flown to the sunny coast. It will fly again.
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[QUOTEIt was purchased cheap and flown to the sunny coast. It will fly again.[/QUOTE]

So did the new owners replace the props & engines before it was flown to the sunny coast? And if they did, why does it need repairing?

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Old 26th Oct 2019, 22:13
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Yes they replaced 1 engine and both props. It needs sheetmetal repairs to the fuselage, LH wing and nacelle. When the prop hit the tarmac it sent bits of prop through the fuse and nacelle skins. It punctured the fuse in 5 locations along with heaps of dents. The upper IB wing skin is disbonded from the impact. It will need some tlc but she will fly again.
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Originally Posted by Rivetsmasher View Post
Yes they replaced 1 engine and both props. It needs sheetmetal repairs to the fuselage, LH wing and nacelle. When the prop hit the tarmac it sent bits of prop through the fuse and nacelle skins. It punctured the fuse in 5 locations along with heaps of dents. The upper IB wing skin is disbonded from the impact. It will need some tlc but she will fly again.
Why only one engine when both of the props were bent? Surely the second one should have been replaced as well? And if the upper IB wing skin was disbonded surely it shouldn't have been flown like that? Something doesn't add up here.

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