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Snoozing pilot misses landing - The Australian

Old 27th Nov 2018, 02:54
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Many times I've seen Tasfast or Vortex Air planes taxiing along the apron at speeds I thought were unsafe. There are four flying schools with many inexperienced student pilots using the same apron, as well as two fuel depots. It's just think it's not a good combination.

Other charter operators I've seen around the country seem to keep a tighter rein on (junior) pilots and it's left me with a poor opinion.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 02:56
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Gotta learn to set your alarm 5 mins before the next waypoint or TOD... Standard night freight pilot ops 101.hahahaha
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 03:04
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Originally Posted by LKinnon View Post
Many times I've seen Tasfast or Vortex Air planes taxiing along the apron at speeds I thought were unsafe. There are four flying schools with many inexperienced student pilots using the same apron, as well as two fuel depots. It's just think it's not a good combination.

Other charter operators I've seen around the country seem to keep a tighter rein on (junior) pilots and it's left me with a poor opinion.
You must be a Soar aviation instructor who taxis at half a knot blocking the taxiways.
Relax, Iím making a joke.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 04:48
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Drug and Alcohol Testing - Cadetship Screening

it looks like the airlines chose well
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 05:43
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swells, pure gold mate.
So tell us LKinnon why you believe someone, who by their own admission has a drug and alcohol problem, should be given any cred here?
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 05:51
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Over the years I can't say I've ever seen Vortex taxying at unsafe speeds. Sure, they don't dawdle, and neither does any other commercial op.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 06:11
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Hey swells, can't open the page anymore. I'm with you Toruk, 8 years there, got me where I am today. Good but hard times.....
4 Holer, obviously a little lacking in the tips and tricks department there these days.

Actually, got the page to open. Credibility 0.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 06:28
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The link is misbehaving so Iím posting it again just in case others missed it.

Summary: LKinnon by his / her own admission is a ecstasy taking pot head, unless I have somehow misread the post.

Again, I hope that LKinnon is not part of your real name as youíve said a lot of dumb crap here today.

http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...ml#post7150717
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 06:31
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And just in case LKinnon thinks he can clean up his image and once again stand the moral high ground without fear of compromise. This is the text from the link above:

Drug and Alcohol Testing - Cadetship Screening
I am about to apply for a cadetship with a major airline.
In the advertisement they mention "Drug and Alcohol Testing" as part of the screening process.
I am young and enjoy a few drinks with my mates on weekends, and on occasion drink enough that I can't stand up.
Most weekends I also smoke a bit of pot and maybe once a year will drop an Ecstasy tablet when I go out to a dance club.
What I plan to do is abstain from booze and pot for two weeks prior to the test so that nothing gets picked up.
Does anyone have experience with these Drug and Alcohol Tests?
Will two weeks of abstination be enough?
Luckily I don't need to abstain from sex ;-)
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 07:09
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Toruk Macto:——Did a few months on BRL RRM and EYF out of Welshpool around the traps as well.

Seems like yesterday.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 07:17
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Just to clarify - the original post heading is incorrect. The pilot did not miss the landing. He just carried it out a little later than planned - thatís what reserve fuel is for. 😳😳😳
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 08:26
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I have no knowledge of the operation so my comments are general.

For those who may think this is the first time a pilot has nodded off ... historically quite a common occurrence. I am aware of a few amusing incidents in like vein over the years. Shouldn't happen .. but, occasionally, it does. Probably the best tale involved a freighter with both the crew and the flight service guy nodding off ... when they eventually got back to where they were originally aimed (pre-radar days), there was a post flight discussion of sorts with a bit of amiable ducking and weaving on both sides ... Another beloved pilot had a squillion hours .. it was generally held that he really wasn't entitled to them as he was asleep for the great majority .. a few chuckling tales to be had from that career.

The sensible pilot, regardless of how alert he/she may be, puts strategies into place to guard against the problem, especially SP.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 09:22
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Apart from the issue of being asleep at the wheel, I think the pilot will be in a whole world of hurt when Avmed get involved. They will have to prove there is nothing wrong with them medically, and that is likely to be time consuming and expensive.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 10:04
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Back in the 80s in my army years I was sitting RH seat in a Nomad doing low level ops for a couple of hrs. By the end the pilot was seriously nodding off.
Another anecdote I heard was of a pilot on a charter who let the pax in RH seat take over the controls and promptly dozed off. Woke up some distance past the destination.

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Old 27th Nov 2018, 10:20
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I don't think many of us can say that you haven't come close to noding off in our GA days. What the atsb will need to figure out is was it due to the pilot not getting adequate due to personal reasons(young family, etc) or due to insufficient/inadequate rest provided by the company. I will not speculate on this company in particular, but it wouldn't be the first time a small ga company has had a culture of making duty times "fit" their needs.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 15:50
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Originally Posted by Lat3ralus View Post
...What the atsb will need to figure out is was it due to the pilot not getting adequate due to personal reasons(young family, etc) or due to insufficient/inadequate rest provided by the company...
Or perhaps due to something like untreated sleep apnoea...
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 19:53
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The poor bastard is in for the ‘the treatment’ from Avmed.

I’ve only once seen a crew member fall asleep. It was the PIC. I felt chuffed that he was relaxed enough to nod off with me in the right hand seat, technically unrated for the aircraft. I did reach for a couple of switches and controls to see if he was faking it.

Oh and by the way: He was a CASA FOI. (Note I said FOI, not ATO.)
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 20:50
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The poor bastard is in for the Ďthe treatmentí from Avmed.

Iíve only once seen a crew member fall asleep. It was the PIC. I felt chuffed that he was relaxed enough to nod off with me in the right hand seat, technically unrated for the aircraft. I did reach for a couple of switches and controls to see if he was faking it.

Oh and by the way: He was a CASA FOI. (Note I said FOI, not ATO.)
Well, that's nothing new. I've heard a few stories of older generation ATOs falling asleep during flight tests and MECIR renewals.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 00:50
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Yes I have had a wonderful ATO fall asleep on me during an IFR renewal before. We were on top of 8/8ths in the sun and he was very quiet. I snuck a peek out from under the hood to find him resting his eyelids. I had to reduce power to descend for the ILS and he woke up suddenly and said, "Whoops I must have nodded off." to which I replied, "What? you missed that last ILS? that's the best one I have ever done!" He was very apologetic and said we will have to do it again until he realised I was giggling at him. Still passed though!
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 04:53
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For sheer unadulterated boredom, ASW (anti submarine warfare) exercises in the Sea King come a close second to the 727 trans Tasman freight runs. Four hours of two pilots watching fully automated transition down to an auto hover where the sonar went down to ping for subs (& subsequently a coupled transition back up to cruise at nosebleed 200ft) would often result in at least one and sometimes both drivers doing some Egyptian PT, only to be rudely awakened when the back seat broke the silence on the intercom asking for a change of position. I’d sometimes read a spotters book of ships, but that just hastened the nap time.

Even more awkward when the back seat pair went quiet and all were woken by Mother coming over the radio.
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