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Old 7th Nov 2018, 09:39
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How CASA will crucify you.

My name is Bruce Rhoades and I wish to use this forum to invite any aviator who feels they have been grossly wronged by CASA to inform me either by email or phone on condition of anonymity if they wish.

My company had an engine failure with a Cessna 172 and crash landing on a beach January 2017 and in spite of the fact that no fault has been found in either aircraft handling or the aircraft my company has been destroyed by CASA.

I now have a terminal brain tumour and have nothing left to lose by exposing CASA and the way in which they fabricated and distorted evidence to “get their man”.
It is my personal belief that CASA’s persecution and stress over the last 18 has induced the cancer.
i certainly am not expressing a “sympathy bid” rather saying that there is nothing that CASA can do to intimidate me!

Should you feel you have a relevant addition regarding CASA’s corruption that I can relay to the Minister for Transport please email me on [email protected]
ph 0427717707

Apparently you cannot post a link on this site until you have 10 points?
Accordingly if you want the link for the full 7:30 Report story please email me and I will send you the link.

I have now had a great deal of correspondence (including from ex CASA AWIs and FOIs) with their stories of CASA corruption, interestingly virtually all those still working within the industry will only speak on condition of anonymity due to fears of intimidation and punitive action by CASA.
Only people who have left the industry are prepared to speak publicly.

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Old 8th Nov 2018, 01:25
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Sorry hear about your story. Perhaps casa could review or re-examine their decision. Personally I have had no issues with casa so far because if they point out some deficiencies in the operation then we agree with them and fix it exactly the way they want. The trick might be to have a good relationship with your local casa officer and frequently communicate with them and invite them to visit your operation, but never allow an unknown foi anywhere near.

We actually found casa to be lacking the manpower and resources to do a better job. They also struggle to find suitable staff.

Do do you know why your engine failed? How is your paperwork like ( flights and maintenance). If your paperwork is no good then they take such an action.

All this stress must have induced your illness. Sorry to hear your story
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I notice this forum has a host of "I'm new here" signs that can stay up for years. It gives a false
impression that because someone does not have such a newbi sign that they might be more credible.
That's speculation.

I'm a great believer in quoting facts.
First CASA has its problems. Like many Australian Government departments they
have no conscience when it comes to making work to justify extorting public funds
or creating a new set of rules that take up 10 times previous regs.

Now, that said, my condolences to Bruce Rhoades. I can understand that CASA
can cause severe stress and headaches not to mention severe pains in the rectum
and neck, or cause a involuntary vomiting reaction but, I've never seen any
scientific evidence or even my wigi board tell me that CASA actions cause
brain cancer.


Nor is there any official or unofficial word that the findings were made for a
"corrupt" purpose of say supporting the competition. Hate to say it but if you
want to advertise vomit comets in a Cessna 172 then you will have a very
exclusive business that no normal person would want to do.


If you do vomit comets you might "feel" that the aircraft is stalling, but its
a illusion and or a delusion.


It's also a delusion to allow vomit comet flights and think that CASA will
form a conclusion that they are normal operations because the
passenger signed a waiver.


Then there is the intelligence factor. What sane person would
post videos of vomit comets and not expect to have a bored
CASA employee happen to watch youtube while he or she was
eating was eating lunch.


Then there is all those beat ups along the beach, all on video with
no where to land if the engine failed and after having subjected the
same engine to abuse of vomit comets which is something that I have
not read about, perhaps I missed that.


The only weak link is CASA's prosecution for letting a passenger
hold the controls. There is a big difference between a Cessna 172 and
letting your kids climb into the captains seat of a jet in cruise on an airline flight.
CASA are applying the strict letter of the law from the later on the former.


Then there is the weight and balance. That's not desperation by CASA
but a negotiating ploy for if charges are laid

for dropping some of the charges for getting a guilty plea to the substantive charges.

The moral of this story is if you have a newly minted commercial licence,
don't omit written weight and balance, don't do vomit comets , don't do
beach beat ups, don't do a 180 in event of a low level engine failure.


Now watch the flack.
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 02:37
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Dear Bruce,
as a Business Owner myself, I can empathise with you, I really can. I have no doubt that definitions were twisted, stories were manufactured, obscure legislation was used, a general "we have you by the balls" approach, people probably turned, and the "safety" card was pulled. You probably had little recourse to any complaints process, and CASA probably had more interest in escalating rather than de-escalating. You probably got blindsided, and had your whole life hanging on decisions. You probably felt that you were getting a lot of arse covering negatively impacting on you and your health, and you were probably treated with absolutely no compassion at all. You probably had to work in an environment of confusing regulations, and varying interpretations. You probably felt what you were doing was correct, well intentioned, and safe, and yet now you feel like everything is ripped out from you, and your name is muddied. You probably question how the whole process has lead to any real continuous improvement, other than destroy lives. You probably used to walk around tall and proud, and now feel humiliated. Your probably wondering how it all turned around so quick and how isolated you felt. You probably feel you have exhausted all avenues and want one last chance at fairness. Mate, you need to get thicker skinned. Its a tough journey you have travelled, and I truly empathise. I genuinely hope that the tail end of that journey brings you, your final wishes. No well intentioned person, deserves to enter the last straight like that. Good luck mate,
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As asked before on another thread, if the operations were so evidently unsafe, why did CASA wait till an accident occurred before acting?

The available answers to that question are not pretty.
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Not just CASA the whole country is rooted.......another Prime minister coming in May 2019 says it all ?
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A bit rich coming from the country that’s run by the Orange Fuhrer.
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Not just CASA the whole country is rooted.......another Prime minister coming in May 2019 says it all ?
Tell us about Bob Hoover...
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Originally Posted by Birddoger View Post
I notice this forum has a host of "I'm new here" signs that can stay up for years. It gives a false
impression that because someone does not have such a newbi sign that they might be more credible.
That's speculation.

I'm a great believer in quoting facts.
First CASA has its problems. Like many Australian Government departments they
have no conscience when it comes to making work to justify extorting public funds
or creating a new set of rules that take up 10 times previous regs.

Now, that said, my condolences to Bruce Rhoades. I can understand that CASA
can cause severe stress and headaches not to mention severe pains in the rectum
and neck, or cause a involuntary vomiting reaction but, I've never seen any
scientific evidence or even my wigi board tell me that CASA actions cause
brain cancer.


Nor is there any official or unofficial word that the findings were made for a
"corrupt" purpose of say supporting the competition. Hate to say it but if you
want to advertise vomit comets in a Cessna 172 then you will have a very
exclusive business that no normal person would want to do.


If you do vomit comets you might "feel" that the aircraft is stalling, but its
a illusion and or a delusion.


It's also a delusion to allow vomit comet flights and think that CASA will
form a conclusion that they are normal operations because the
passenger signed a waiver.


Then there is the intelligence factor. What sane person would
post videos of vomit comets and not expect to have a bored
CASA employee happen to watch youtube while he or she was
eating was eating lunch.


Then there is all those beat ups along the beach, all on video with
no where to land if the engine failed and after having subjected the
same engine to abuse of vomit comets which is something that I have
not read about, perhaps I missed that.


The only weak link is CASA's prosecution for letting a passenger
hold the controls. There is a big difference between a Cessna 172 and
letting your kids climb into the captains seat of a jet in cruise on an airline flight.
CASA are applying the strict letter of the law from the later on the former.


Then there is the weight and balance. That's not desperation by CASA
but a negotiating ploy for if charges are laid

for dropping some of the charges for getting a guilty plea to the substantive charges.

The moral of this story is if you have a newly minted commercial licence,
don't omit written weight and balance, don't do vomit comets , don't do
beach beat ups, don't do a 180 in event of a low level engine failure.


Now watch the flack.
you no knowledge of agricultural bush flying and waiting balances were always done all our flights you do do a low-level precaution research and landing before landing on a beach and you do do a 180° turn after engine failure in preference to landing in the water . Clearly you are an airline pilot and flies at 35,000 feet with no knowledge of bush flying.
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HAHAHA Land of the free son no red light cameras nor breath testing here, no CASA just good old FAA boys.. Much Better than a country overrun and now run by Communist China ?
Australia great place to be from.......
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Hey 4 Holer, what are you on about?
-"Caught on camera has taken on new meaning in Florida. Hundreds of red light cameras have been installed at dangerous intersections throughout Florida during the last year, and they are catching thousands of red light violations daily."
-"Upon receiving a Florida driver’s license, an individual signs a document indicating one’s willingness to submit to a breath alcohol test. In fact, at the bottom of every Florida driver’s license there is language which states, in small print, “Operation of a motor vehicle constitutes consent to any sobriety test required by law.”
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FAA are not always the ‘good ol boys’ of 4 Holer’s dreams. If he has yet to get on the wrong side of them he is lucky.....or has seen the light and finally decided to be a law abiding citizen.
FAA will also crucify you for as little as a low range traffic DUI. A mate crossed the border from Nevada into California and 100 yards inside Calif got stopped, blew just under .08 which at the time was still OK in Nevada. But in CA that meant a DUI charge. FAA got on it and he lost his Check Airman privileges for a very long time. Took expensive lawyers to eventually recover his meal ticket.

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Originally Posted by Corvallis View Post
Sorry hear about your story. Perhaps casa could review or re-examine their decision. Personally I have had no issues with casa so far because if they point out some deficiencies in the operation then we agree with them and fix it exactly the way they want. The trick might be to have a good relationship with your local casa officer and frequently communicate with them and invite them to visit your operation, but never allow an unknown foi anywhere near.

We actually found casa to be lacking the manpower and resources to do a better job. They also struggle to find suitable staff.

Do do you know why your engine failed? How is your paperwork like ( flights and maintenance). If your paperwork is no good then they take such an action.

All this stress must have induced your illness. Sorry to hear your story
I did have a good relationship with our FOIs (or so I thought), yet these people vanished as soon as an accident occurred, they were never available for comment or cross examination.

there was nothing wrong with our paperwork at all.

i have had “not for public release” correspondence from ATSB pending final report ruling out all of the obvious including Carby icing.

a major inditement of CASA, and how much they are trying to hide, is that they did a deal with the pilot of the aircraft in an AAT hearing to withdraw his evidence in return for which they would allow him to have his licence back.
in no way can this be construed as a criticism of my pilot as he did nothing wrong (other than save 3 lives).....his lawyer simply did him a deal.

little did they know that I had compiled the expose evidence portfolio against them which was given to the 7:30 Report.
i will shortly be making that expose public on all media platforms.
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Here’s a comment for you to reply to, so you may get your 10 hits. Best of Luck. Cancer sucks.
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Gleb B,
That has got to be one of most understanding empathetic posts I've ever read anywhere.
Hopefully this will be as successfully received as well as it was transmitted.


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Dear Bruce,
as a Business Owner myself, I can empathise with you, I really can.- rest delted -Good luck mate,
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Dear Bruce,
You are in my thoughts and I wish you the very best in a situation any of us could find ourselves in at any time.
I've watched CASA destroy people and businesses, I've driven in and out of visits to the Ivory tower and watched the boss playing golf in his office while feeding me bullshit as to why AOC's were then only granted if you had a corrupt connection. The new CASA changes (in recent years) have been a slide into an unnecessary bureaucratic cesspool of regulatory diarrhea. Its just one of reasons why I left Aus for other places.

I think everyone reading your post will want to send you a positive message. Just so you clearly understand, I have empathy and compassion for your present situation. I gave you my frank response but hopefully sending a message of empathy.

I noticed you posted and deleted. That's ok, feel free to give me an earful if you wish it will not offend me in this situation.
Internet forums mean you can't use your real name, there are trolls and very nasty people who can and do cause anyone they don't like a pile of trouble not to mention defamation when they spit the dummy.

I know at least one person who tried to help you a while back but could not. I've done my share of real world low level stick and rudder flying. I've watched lots of folk beating up beaches and running the wheels on the sea or doing aerobatics in non aerobatic aircraft. I've watched the kids come back with vomit comet videos thinking how cool they were.

It can also be tragic. I could fill a room with all the now dead pilots I've met and it's taught me how to recognize accidents going to happen even to the nicest of people who are really going to a upset you when you hear about their untimely ends.

While you are posting, perhaps you can tell us some about some of your experiences that you would like to pass on to the younger pilots who are starting out.

I was going to end this with a story but, Bruce here is your invitation.

Tell us a story and we wish the very best.


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you no knowledge of agricultural bush flying and waiting balances were always done all our flights you do do a low-level precaution research and landing before landing on a beach and you do do a 180° turn after engine failure in preference to landing in the water . Clearly you are an airline pilot and flies at 35,000 feet with no knowledge of bush flying.
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HAHAHA Land of the free son no red light cameras nor breath testing here, no CASA just good old FAA boys.. Much Better than a country overrun and now run by Communist China ?
Australia great place to be from.......
Wrong on the road rules, as has been pointed out.

We're glad to see the end of you, NL.

Tell us about your 747.
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Bruce it's so disappointing that here in Australia one of the most relaxed easy going nations on the planet (of which we are well known for) we have an authority that works against the very fabric of what Australia stands for, an easy going population that thrives on a simple great life with a 'can do attitude', you I'm afraid are a product of the very thing we as a nation are not, selfish, ugly & hated!
99% (if not ought to be !) of the aviation industry are disgusted in CASA, you are a rock & the very spirit that is Australia:-)

Keep yr head up, don't let the bastards win!
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If you are going to do these types of scenic flights you need to have the conduct of those flights fully specified in your Ops Manual Part D. By fully specified I mean everything from the CAR219 training outcomes, to height, speed, turn points, pitch and bank angle limits, pax briefing, pax headset serviceability, and a route map overlaid on a WAC or TPC extract, for each of your numbered scenic routes of which you will need maybe a dozen. Don't be shy. Once stamped with the CASA OK then you have the imprimatur of CASA approval to actually go do them.

If however you have a prang and the inevitable pax videos show that the aircraft was flown outside the limitations imposed by your CASA approved Part D then you are as screwed as ever.

Of course, CASA might look at the original Part D application and say 'F*#k Off'. In which case, think of something else.

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Once stamped with the CASA OK
your CASA approved Part D
CASA do not approve any thing in Part D. If it shows compliance with the requirements of the Compliance Statement, it is just accepted by the FOI who reads it as part of the process. However, this does not mean that the next FOI will accept it.
However, a Part C required under CAR217 differs in that the training and checking procedures included in that Part C requires approval.
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