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Old 6th Aug 2018, 10:54
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E3 Visa - Flight Instructor Jobs

Hi, is anyone aware of any US flight schools that sponsor E3 Visas for Aussie's to flight instruct?

Thanks, Russ
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https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/pilot-job/3787/FLIGHT%20INSTRUCTORS%20USA%20Flight%20School

That took about 15 seconds
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p'chute,

You beat me to the punch by two minutes !! I haven't heard any comments from people who might have taken a run at this IASCO thing. Maybe ellisr will post his experience.
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Thanks for the info.

Ive contacted them and they are very quick to reply, looks like they are still seeking CFI’s on the E3 program.

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ellisr,

Are you sub-1500 hours total time ? If so, do you see the CFI deal as a way to get to 1500 while CFIing and then jump to a US regional ? Does the E3 visa process allow such a move ?
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Ellisr, how are you going to get past the person in the Consulate to give you an E3?

Have you got a university degree or the relevant years of industry experience?

If you have, you're better off applying for a regional directly.
if you don't have the tertiary or flying experience, i can see what you're trying to achieve, from out of space.
 
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Originally Posted by ellisr
Hi, is anyone aware of any US flight schools that sponsor E3 Visas for Aussie's to flight instruct?

Thanks, Russ
If you're residing in Singapore and wish to stay there, then I would suggest instructing at Singapore Flying College in Perth where they have a pathway for loyal instructors to get to the Singapore Airlines group (Silk Air or Singapore Airlines Cargo).
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Does anyone know any flight schools that will sponsor an E3 to undertake the training to become a CFI with guarantee of employment thereafter?
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Originally Posted by Kranz
Does anyone know any flight schools that will sponsor an E3 to undertake the training to become a CFI with guarantee of employment thereafter?
You could probably just ask around. Instructors and pilots here are a commodity in general. If you mean you want them to pay for your CFI, I don't think it has quite gotten to that point yet.
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^^ thanks. I agree it's a little bit presumptive to expect an employer to pay for the initial training. What I really want is for a potential employer to guarantee a job and a visa sponsorship at the conclusion of the training - that I would be willing to pay for (obviously subject to satisfactory performance throughout the training).

This would probably look like, and require a job interview in the early stages of training (i.e. now) so that a determination could be made (now) as to my suitability as an employee on completion of training.

I would effectively be willing to work for anyone, doing anything, anywhere, at any time of the day or night on the proviso I was at least treated like a human being and paid equal to, or above, minimum wage (I will not prostitute myself as this is against my principles).

At my age and with my financial/family commitments, it is bordering on too high risk of an investment without assurance of employment afterwards. The cost of the training itself if within the sphere of 'do-able' but only if I can make a career of it afterwards.
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Yeah, you could get a guarantee of employment pretty easily if you get your CFI in the same place I reckon. The sponsorship for the E3 doesn't cost anything, your employer just needs to fill out a labor condition application, with which you will use to get your E3.

How many hours do you have anyway? You could probably just get straight into a regional if you wanted to.
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Not yet, I've only just finished the PPL syllabus (without the certification as I want to progress straight through to CPL anyway). I was hoping to find a flight school that can offer the visa sponsorship to allow me to complete the full CPL & CFI syllabus and then automatically graduate to paid instructor with that same school. Hopefully, accumulate the remaining hours to 1500 then transition to airline job.

Maybe I'm being overly hopeful that the current shortage in the US can better assure me of employment post training, but given the recent crap going on in Australia (RE: total disregard by the airlines for succession planning, pilot employment freezes, importing trained pilots on 457 visas without assisting locals to develop, and the gender and minority group employment targets) I have come to the conclusion that I am unlikely to realise my dream here in this country.

In acknowledging that I am under the minimums for immediate consideration in the US, I also want to ensure that any progression of training here in Australia is focused towards maximising suitability to the US market (and hopefully, future career aspirations).
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The US flight school offering the instructor path has stipulated you must already have the instructor rating on your aussie licence or be prepared to do a FAA CPL conversion with CFI rating at your expense.
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As above, happy to do it at my expense - I just want the assurance of a job afterwards.
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E-3 Flight Instructors

Originally Posted by ellisr
Hi, is anyone aware of any US flight schools that sponsor E3 Visas for Aussie's to flight instruct?

Thanks, Russ
First, that advert was placed by recruiters for IASCO based at Redding CA. Earlier this year, one of their instructors had a run in with the law
when a suicidal student overstayed their visa.
I'm told that "one" Australian instructor was hired and despite the recruiter doing all that promotion, the school hired that particular instructor direct.
This is third hand information but it has the air of reality to it.
Almost every flight school in the USA and Canada is short of instructors and that is despite the schools churning out large numbers of them.

Now, the E-3 Visa. I'd like to hear from anyone who qualified by way of experience and qualifications but without a degree.
The US government blub states that as a guide, they require 3 years experience for every year of a four year university degree that
the instructor did not go to. That is, a two year college course would reduce the experience required to 6 years.

In searching on line, I have not come across an answer to the above questions.

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Originally Posted by bafanguy
ellisr,

Are you sub-1500 hours total time ? If so, do you see the CFI deal as a way to get to 1500 while CFIing and then jump to a US regional ? Does the E3 visa process allow such a move ?
An E-3 visa is good for one employer only. To move employers you would have to apply for a new visa.

In fact, an E-3 constrains you to the same job and location with your employer!
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Originally Posted by Bellthorpe
An E-3 visa is good for one employer only. To move employers you would have to apply for a new visa.

In fact, an E-3 constrains you to the same job and location with your employer!
Bell,

Would a person theoretically be able to get a FI job under one E3 and apply to a regional for a new E3 at the airline ?

Ooops...I see you answered that question with your post just above. It's early here...need more coffee.

Last edited by bafanguy; 13th Oct 2018 at 11:14. Reason: Add Oooops
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Further, you can't get an E-3 visa for an "F-1" job. A job that requires an F-1 visa is not a job. That visa is to go to school. You can't go to school on an E-3 visa. You have to have a real-life, honest-to-goodness proper paying job.
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Further, you can't get an E-3 visa for an "F-1" job. A job that requires an F-1 visa is not a job. That visa is to go to school. You can't go to school on an E-3 visa. You have to have a real-life, honest-to-goodness proper paying job.
I think you'll find they typed "eff eye"... As in "Flight Instructor"... Not "eff one"

Basically, can a person, whilst already employed as a flying instructor on an E-3, apply for a job at a regional airline, on a new/different E-3?
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Originally Posted by RHSandLovingIt
I think you'll find they typed "eff eye"... As in "Flight Instructor"... Not "eff one"
You're right. My bad.


Basically, can a person, whilst already employed as a flying instructor on an E-3, apply for a job at a regional airline, on a new/different E-3?
Sure. They can *apply*. If they're successful, they have to re-apply for a new E-3 visa with the new employer. The existing visa cannot be "moved over" to the new employer.

The E-3 visa is great. Easy to get, simple, indefinitely extensible. But it does have its limitations, and this is one of them. One other advantage is that the visa holders's spouse can get a work permit, and work at anything at all.
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