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Old 2nd Jul 2018, 23:49
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General Aviation Summit Wagga Wagga 9th & 10th July 2018

GENERAL AVIATION SUMMIT 2018
9TH & 10TH JULY - SET FOR TAKEOFF

The Australian General Aviation Alliance welcomes the 33 general aviation industry associations and 80 representatives who have confirmed their attendance to the General Aviation Summit 2018, 9th and 10th July – Wagga Wagga NSW.

DOWNLOAD THE SUMMIT PROGRAMME
https://aopa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/PROGRAMME-1.pdf

Participating associations at the AGAA GA Summit represent approx. 26,500+ members across a broad spectrum of general aviation interest groups. This meeting represents the largest of its kind in many decades and signals the broad support for genuine meaningful change.

Association attending include;

1. Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association of Australia
2. Aircraft Electronics Association – South Pacific Region
3. Aircraft Maintenance Repair Overhaul Business Assoc
4. Airtourer Association
5. Angel Flight Australia*
6. Antique Aeroplane Association of Australia
7. Australian Aircraft Manufacturers Association
8. Australian Beechcraft Society
9. Australian Business Aviation Association
10. Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association
11. Australian Mooney Pilots Association
12. Australian Parachute Federation
13. Australian Piper Society Inc
14. Australian Women Pilots Association
15. Cessna 182 Association of Australia
16. Cessna 200 Association of Australia
17. Cirrus Owner Pilots Association of Australia
18. Colour Vision Deficient Pilots Association
19. Experimental Light Aircraft Association of Australia
20. Gliding Federation of Australia
21. Hang Gliding Federation of Australia
22. International Comanche Society – Australia
23. Lancair Owner Builder Organisation
24. Recreational Aviation Australia Limited
25. Regional Airports User Action Group
26. Rotorcraft Asia Pacific*
27. Royal Federation of Aero Clubs*
28. Sport Aircraft Association of Australia
29. Seaplane Pilots Association of Australia
30. Australian Aero Clubs Alliance
31. Your Central Coast Airport Association
32. Australian Warbirds Association Limite
33. Regional Aviation Association of Australia*
*Observer organisations

The purpose of the Summit is to bring together the leadership of Australia’s general aviation industry associations, seeking to develop a consensus proposal for a change to the Civil Aviation Act. The Summit will be chaired by Mr Geoff Breust, former Managing Director of Regional Express and serving President of the Wagga City Aero Club.

The Deputy Prime Minister, Mr Michael McCormack, will open the Summit, addressing delegates on the morning of
9th July 2018. In the spirit of bipartisan support for change, Mr Anthony Albanese MP has been invited to address the Summit delegates on the morning of Tuesday 10th
July 2018.

In addition, the following Important guests are attending:

1. City of Wagga Wagga Mayor, Councillor Greg Conkey
2. Senate RRAT Committee, Senator Slade Brockman
3. Senate RRAT Committee Secretary, Dr Jane Thompson
4. Senator for Queensland, Senator Fraser Anning
5. Senator David Fawcett, Mr Micah Wright-Taylor
6. Senator Rex Patrick and Mr Jonathan Sharman
7. Department of Infrastructure, Mr Jim Wolfe
8. Department of Infrastructure, Melissa Cashman
9. Aviation Advisor for the DPM, Mr Stephen Campbell
10. CASA Group Manager, Mr Rob Walker
11. Airservices Australia, Mr Stephen Angus
12. University of New South Wales, Prof Ian Hampson
13. iAOPA Secretary-General, Mr Craig Spence
14. AOPA Australia Director, Mr Michael Smith

The Summit Dinner guest speakers are Mr Michael Smith, former Deputy Director of Aviation Safety (CASA), speaking to the need for change to the Civil Aviation Act so as to unlock Australia’s aviation industry and Mr Craig Spence, Secretary-General of the International Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association.

Participating media include;

1. ABC Riverina Radio & Television
2. PRIME7 Television
3. Wagga Weekly Newspaper
4. The Australian
5. Australian Flying Magazine
6. Australian Aviation
7. AERO Magazine

On behalf of the AGAA we thank you all for your participation and we look forward to working with you to achieve a positive outcome at the summit.

Should you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to call (02) 9791 9099.

Best regards,

BENJAMIN MORGAN
Executive Director - AOPA Australia

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I know it might be perceived as throwing rocks from the sidelines, but if there‘s going to be more than a snowflake’s hope in hell of action out of this summit...


There’s a doing word (a ‘verb’) missing from (b) in the proposed amendment to section 9A of the Civil Aviation Act:
PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CIVIL AVIATION ACT

9A Performance of functions

(1) In exercising its powers and performing its functions, CASA must seek to achieve the highest level of safety in air navigation as well as:

(a) maintaining an efficient and sustainable Australian aviation industry, including a viable general aviation and training sector;

(b) the need for more people to benefit from civil aviation.
This is not a sentence: “In exercising its powers and performing its functions, CASA must seek to achieve the highest level of safety in in air navigation as well as ... the need for more people to benefit from civil aviation.”

Perhaps (b) should start with “taking account of” or “recognising”.

Or the whole thing could be drafted like this:
(1) In exercising its powers and performing its functions, CASA must regard:

(a) the efficiency and sustainability of civil aviation, including the efficiency and sustainability of Australian general aviation and Australian aviation training;

(b) the benefits, to Australia, of civil aviation; and

(c) the safety of air navigation,

as the most important considerations.
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FFS.....
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Your point being?
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I know it might be perceived as throwing rocks from the sidelines, but if there‘s going to be more than a snowflake’s hope in hell of action out of this summit...
You've obviously done nothing in aviation that warrants comment!

Typical tall poppy syndrome proponent...
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LB,

You profess to have quite an intimate knowledge of aviation legislation and the bureaucracy that suppprts it, so hopefully in the background you're providing some support to Ben's cause rather than just pontificating on on anonymous forum with your holier than thou attitude.
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LB is right. "As well as" leaves CASA free to continue the embuggerance.

for goodness sake get a QC and an experienced public servant to look at what you think you want because the wording is going to be tested in the AAT and Courts.

"as well as" can probably be construed by CASA legal as creating conflicting and unresolvable imperatives. They then invite a judge to prioritise them. The result? The BS CASA safety at all costs mantra triumphs again.

''words matter. in legal circles they don't always mean what you think they mean. legal Precision is vital.

''I also have trouble with "the highest". There are ICAO and EU standards for risk to passengers. For goodness sake use them as the yardstick and force CASA to do the mathematical modeling associated with applying them every time they write a regulation. See the paper referenced in the airspace thread for an example of how it's done by the best in the world.

You want CASA applying international safety norms, not "the highest".







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LeadBalloon and Sunfish, I take onboard exactly what you are saying and I welcome you both to email me ([email protected]) your clear views. I will ensure that they are included in the summit debate. Please try to keep in mind that the position put forward is a starting point and the purpose of bringing the industry together is to start the process of developing a clear consensus.

I look forward to your responses.
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Some posters evidently have little-to-no first-hand experience of the laughing contempt that OPC drafters have for the likes of the draft amendment proposed in the Summit Programme/Agenda.

I’m trying to assist by suggesting an alternative that is less likely to precipitate laughing contempt from OPC drafters. Others with more experience than me in dealing with OPC drafters can of course assist even more by suggesting an even better alternative. This stuff doesn’t need to be done in secret - after all, it’s eventually supposed to make it into a law that everyone can see.

What I will guarantee is that the draft amendment proposed in the Summit Programme/Agenda will never make it to the Civil Aviation Act. And ‘drafting by committee’ in the form of a Summit is usually a quick way to madness rather than improvement.

PS added as I just saw Ben’s: Ben, I’d suggest you suggest my proposed amendment above as the ‘straw man’ amendment. Let rocks be thrown at it. I’ll think you’ll find it turns out to be a little more robust than the version in the Summit Programme/Agenda.
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thanks, Ben, more power to your arm. I can't comment much more because i'm in Croatia ATM.
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One would think that if this event is considered important then DAS Shane would be there, front and centre! I wonder what could be more important for him?
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So sunfish at 6:07 you are too busy to respond to Ben Morgan's request for suggestions but at 6:21 you start a whole other thread on the RAA! Your inflated opinions of how the system works knows no bounds. Lead Balloon can you point us to any legislation that you have written that has been so watertight that no lawyer has ever challenged it? Good luck to AOPA.
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There is no such thing as a law that is immune from challenge. That’s how our constitution and the separation of powers work.

All I’m trying to do is increase the probabilities, from snowflake’s hope in hell to unlikely, that a proposed amendment to section 9A of the Civil Aviation Act will not be laughed out of OPC. OPC will presumptively reject any and all drafting pressed upon them from outside, anyway. So at one level there’s no point in coming up with any bright ideas as to what section 9A should say.

But AOPA having decided on the tactic of coming up with bright ideas about what an amended section 9A should say, instead of bright ideas about what outcomes an amended section 9A should produce - what OPC calls “instructions” - I’ll do my best to suggest words that might work.

I’m sure that, any minute now, someone with experience instructing OPC will point out that I’m talking crap.
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LeadBalloon, as I have previously posted. Take 30 minutes and type out your proposed 'instruction' and I will ensure that it is included in the Summit workshop session. I understand exactly what you are saying and agree with you, that the outcome of the Summit needs to be a clearly worded statement that spells out; a) the intent of the change; and b) the outcome of the proposed change.

I genuinely encourage any of the PPRuNe community to put forward their suggestions and I will ensure they are presented to the associations during the workshop sessions. Email me at: [email protected]

If submissions could be made by friday this week, I will post here friday evening and avise how many were received. Here is your opportunity to be part of a move towards meaningful change!
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lookleft, your continual negativity and support for the status quo (aka the system) is disappointing. The balloon is right and understands how legislation is written.

Now I'm off for another swim in the beautiful mediterranean.
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No sunfish wrong again. I am just hi lighting your LMF after Ben Morgan called you and LB out to either put up or shut up.
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Sunny might be gone for a while. I's a long swim from Croatia down to the Mediterranean.

Meanwhile, back in Wagga Wagga....
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Like 'cogwheel" I too wonder where the DAS is going to be instead of Wagga Wagga.
I recall some 20 years ago being at a 2 day AOPA meeting at Temora and having a beer with not only the then Minister but the Deputy PM (who also happened to be an ex Army colleague) and his young son. They regarded GA as important enough to spend those 2 days with "industry"
So where is Wally, I mean Shane?

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I am not a lawyer so this may be rubbish but my 2c would be:

(1) In exercising its powers and performing its functions, CASA must regard:

(a) the safety of air navigation

(b) the need to foster and promote a sustainable civil aviation industry, (including commercial air transport, general aviation and aviation training),

(c) the social and economic value and benefits civil aviation provides to the nation,

(d) the need to harmonise with ICAO international civil aviation standards and recommended practices


Why?
I want a safe industry, I want a functional industry that will thrive and that will continue to meet needs into the future, I see aviation as providing great social and economic value to our nation (and the world) and I want our system to use international best practice rather than just make up our own path.
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Instructions for amendment to section 9A of the Civil Aviation Act 1988

Amend section 9A of the Civil Aviation Act 1988 so that CASA must have regard to three considerations, as equally important, paramount considerations, in exercising its powers and performing its functions. The three considerations (the Considerations) are:

1. The efficiency and sustainability of civil aviation in Australia

2. The benefits, to Australia, of civil aviation

3. The safety of air navigation.

The overarching intention of the measure is to ensure that the costs imposed by the regulatory framework for civil aviation in Australia, and the costs of the administration of that framework, are taken into consideration by CASA as considerations that are of equal, paramount importance as the risks to air navigation. The measure is intended to reflect the fact that all activities involve risks, and that unless the risks arising from civil aviation are mitigated in a cost-effective manner taking into account objective assessments of the probabilities and consequences of risks, as well as objective assessments of the benefits of civil aviation to Australia, the inevitable outcome is that civil aviation in Australia will become unsustainable for many participants including small businesses.

The Considerations are not intended to be the only considerations that CASA must take into account in exercising its powers and performing its functions. Rather, the Considerations are to be in addition to, but of equal, paramount importance above whatever other considerations are relevant to the exercise of the specific power or the performance of the specific function.

For the purposes of the measure, the term “civil aviation” is intended to mean all activities relating to, but not limited to:

- the design, construction, maintenance, modification and operation of Australian aircraft other than “state aircraft” as defined in the Civil Aviation Act 1988 (Civil Aircraft)

- the training, competence, medical fitness and performance of duties of individuals involved in the design, construction, maintenance, modification and operation of Civil Aircraft

- the arrangements made for designation of airspace and provision of services within airspace in which may Civil Aircraft operate

- the arrangements made for aerodromes and other places to and from which Civil Aircraft may operate.

For the purposes of Consideration 1, “Australia” is used in the geographical sense.

For the purposes of Consideration 2, “Australia” is not used in the geographical sense.

[But bear in mind what the above really says: It really says that successive Ministers and their portfolio departments haven’t been doing their jobs over the last couple of decades. Whilst that’s true, the truth is unwelcome.]
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