What is happening with PPRuNe? Aviation stories missing
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What is happening with PPRuNe? Aviation stories missing
Here is a link to an article from the front page of The Australian on 9 March 2018. There is a huge heading, “China's pilot training school 'takeover' sparks air rage on the ground". From what I can make out, this hasn’t appeared on PPRuNe.
What is going on? In the old days, such an important article would be featured.
Are people losing interest in PPRuNe? What a pity.
What is going on? In the old days, such an important article would be featured.
Are people losing interest in PPRuNe? What a pity.
Here is a link to an article from the front page of The Australian on 9 March 2018. There is a huge heading, “China's pilot training school 'takeover' sparks air rage on the ground". From what I can make out, this hasn’t appeared on PPRuNe.
What is going on? In the old days, such an important article would be featured.
Are people losing interest in PPRuNe? What a pity.
What is going on? In the old days, such an important article would be featured.
Are people losing interest in PPRuNe? What a pity.
That's an interesting and thought-provoking article, but I'd suspect it hasn't been posted yet because The Australian is behind a paywall (for the online version) and a whole bunch of people don't subscribe to physical papers anymore.
As for the article, Australians seem content to sell everything else to the Chinese so why would flying schools at regional airports matter? Some of these communities (e.g. Mareeba in the article) are evidently behind it because of the economic benefit these wealthy foreign students bring, some are not.
That said, I suspect that if ANY flight school, Chinese or otherwise, were to come along to a previously quiet regional airfield and increase aircraft movements by 1000% some locals will get upset. The fact that they are Chinese in this instance is probably just icing on the cake.
The bigger question here is why there is no business case for an Australian owned entity to run these schools with a contract in place for the foreign airline cadets? I suspect it comes down to the insurmountable amount of red tape involved in setting it all up before you'd even see $1 in revenue, and huge amounts of capital required.
It's a sad state of affairs!
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I wonder if they made a big effort at Kempsey to sell the advantages to the local community. I would have thought there would be plenty of country towns that would welcome the extra jobs and income.
The locals at Kempsey need all the help they can get...the town was on skid row before the freeway bypass was built, and last I checked it hasn't got any better.
How much is racism playing into this? To be clear I don't support Chinese state interests, I am against a foreign state like China buying Australian assets, but in the article a local from Kempsey was whingeing that students flying on Australia Day was disrespectful.
Unless there was some sort of prior agreement, why on earth shouldn't they fly on Australia Day to look at this great country from the air? My local airfield was super busy on Australia Day, as it is on just about every public holiday (Christmas excepted).
How much is racism playing into this? To be clear I don't support Chinese state interests, I am against a foreign state like China buying Australian assets, but in the article a local from Kempsey was whingeing that students flying on Australia Day was disrespectful.
Unless there was some sort of prior agreement, why on earth shouldn't they fly on Australia Day to look at this great country from the air? My local airfield was super busy on Australia Day, as it is on just about every public holiday (Christmas excepted).
Dick, I don’t want to be rude -because in many ways (particularly conservation) I highly respect you, but I guess you deserve me to be honest.
Have you ever wondered if PPrune pilots aren’t interested because they read your name and switch off?
To be brutally honest, I was sent that article by a friend, and immediately stopped reading it once I saw they were quoting you.
This is a professional pilot’s network. Not a political agenda network. That’s why we’re not interested. If you want all Australian businesses Australian owned, start a political party. If it’s about piloting, or aircraft, or industrial pilot issues - then we are interested.
Just my honest 2c
Have you ever wondered if PPrune pilots aren’t interested because they read your name and switch off?
To be brutally honest, I was sent that article by a friend, and immediately stopped reading it once I saw they were quoting you.
This is a professional pilot’s network. Not a political agenda network. That’s why we’re not interested. If you want all Australian businesses Australian owned, start a political party. If it’s about piloting, or aircraft, or industrial pilot issues - then we are interested.
Just my honest 2c
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What pilot will argue against any opportunity that will provide more flying jobs in Australia?
At the end of day, these large flying schools are giving more Australians a chance to work as pilots and gain valuable experience.
At the end of day, these large flying schools are giving more Australians a chance to work as pilots and gain valuable experience.
Have you ever wondered if PPRuNe pilots aren’t interested because they read your name and switch off?
Not Dick Smith’s political agenda network. That’s why we’re not interested
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Slippery Pete, do you ever have a glance at the Australia, New Zealand & Pacific sub-forum?
You will see there is a thread (see here) in relation to the work I have done in attempting to get the Civil Aviation Act changed so we can get general aviation to boom again in this country.
Do you support that, or do you think I should “switch off” in relation to aviation reform as I can afford all of the high costs and I shouldn’t be concerned about others? I would love to have your views.
PS: I notice there is only one comment on that thread. It looks to me as if not many general aviation people look at the Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific sub-forum. Do others agree?
You will see there is a thread (see here) in relation to the work I have done in attempting to get the Civil Aviation Act changed so we can get general aviation to boom again in this country.
Do you support that, or do you think I should “switch off” in relation to aviation reform as I can afford all of the high costs and I shouldn’t be concerned about others? I would love to have your views.
PS: I notice there is only one comment on that thread. It looks to me as if not many general aviation people look at the Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific sub-forum. Do others agree?
FAR CU - your paraphrasing was way off, perhaps keep practising.
Yes, I’m not so naive as to think I respond the same as every one else. It’s good if other professional aviators are motivated by Dick’s articles. It just does the complete opposite for me, and that position has been formed over a long time.
Agreed on the first part. He believes in something and is giving it a go. That’s why I respect him in the first place. His personal donations to National Parks Tasmania are jaw dropping.
Having said that, I am allowed to disagree with Dick. I agree with him on CASA red tape. I don’t agree with him on foreign owned airline training schools being a bad thing, in fact I vehemently disagree. It’s called having an opinion.
“WTF am I doing?” I have lots of interests and causes both inside and outside of Aviation. Your assumption that because I don’t like one person’s politics being pushed into PPrune means I’m doing nothing is one very long bow to draw.
Sure Pete, a few might switch off but I am betting quite a few switch on. Me for instance, I like Dick's aviation input.
Politics and gutless politicians have rooted aviation, Dick is having a go. WTF are you doing besides airing personal opinion and being uninterested?
Having said that, I am allowed to disagree with Dick. I agree with him on CASA red tape. I don’t agree with him on foreign owned airline training schools being a bad thing, in fact I vehemently disagree. It’s called having an opinion.
“WTF am I doing?” I have lots of interests and causes both inside and outside of Aviation. Your assumption that because I don’t like one person’s politics being pushed into PPrune means I’m doing nothing is one very long bow to draw.
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Do you support that, or do you think I should “switch off” in relation to aviation reform as I can afford all of the high costs and I shouldn’t be concerned about others? I would love to have your views.
But I stand by my point. You asked why people aren’t interested, and I gave feedback.
If you cry wolf enough times, for example the “Outrage” headline re: CSWAFC’s arrangement which has been going for 20+ years, some people stop listening.
I have not read the article but have a few questions based on observations.
A Chinas owned training school is taking over (buying) a current training school in Australia. A very good and very profitable school would sell for a very good sum!
So a marginal school is probably getting taken over, and this possibly the only buyer.
So not a lot of current employment of pilots or ground support staff or tax generation for the government.
--- Deal goes ahead and current owners can pay off debts and have a bit of profit to pay a bit of tax.
Large numbers of people begin to fly creating many ground support rolls, refuelling, engineering, airport maintenance personal and even the coffee shop and all paying tax.
External of the airport requires more accommodation and food, if they build their own accommodation then they need builders. All this generates jobs and taxes.
I don't see any possible way they can ever cut up the land on the buildings they now own and take it back to China.
The best thing to do is work on the laws that allow money to be moved offshore, they can't take the land.
A Chinas owned training school is taking over (buying) a current training school in Australia. A very good and very profitable school would sell for a very good sum!
So a marginal school is probably getting taken over, and this possibly the only buyer.
So not a lot of current employment of pilots or ground support staff or tax generation for the government.
--- Deal goes ahead and current owners can pay off debts and have a bit of profit to pay a bit of tax.
Large numbers of people begin to fly creating many ground support rolls, refuelling, engineering, airport maintenance personal and even the coffee shop and all paying tax.
External of the airport requires more accommodation and food, if they build their own accommodation then they need builders. All this generates jobs and taxes.
I don't see any possible way they can ever cut up the land on the buildings they now own and take it back to China.
The best thing to do is work on the laws that allow money to be moved offshore, they can't take the land.
So an aeroplane allegedly did low level circuits on Australia day. And? THe way people are carrying on you'd think it was during the 2 minutes of silence on ANZAC day.
If nothing else made them look like a complete bunch of prats that comment certainly did.
If nothing else made them look like a complete bunch of prats that comment certainly did.
Why aren’t these stories the automatic subject of discussion on PPRuNe?
I guess it’s because lots of people have worked out that fulminating on PPRuNe doesn’t achieve much and, even if all PPRuNers magically agreed that something should be changed (coincident with hell freezing over), it’s not enough to bring about change.
If you want to get the Civil Aviation Act changed, Dick, tell the Labor Party and Coalition that you will run a ‘vote for anyone but them’ public campaign at the next federal election. They’re the ones responsible for the privatisation of airports, the regulatory dog’s breakfast, the red tape and most of the other stuff that’s driven GA into the ground.
They don’t care, unless there’s a credible threat to their cozy duopoly. It’s happening slowly, but a high profile campaign against them by someone with your influence might help to ‘focus’ their attention on the threat.
They’ll all pretend to be ‘best buds’ with you Dick. Don’t fall for it again. They’ll promise you lots Dick. Don’t fall for it again.
Pat them on the head when the change you want occurs and ignore them whenever their lips are moving.
I guess it’s because lots of people have worked out that fulminating on PPRuNe doesn’t achieve much and, even if all PPRuNers magically agreed that something should be changed (coincident with hell freezing over), it’s not enough to bring about change.
If you want to get the Civil Aviation Act changed, Dick, tell the Labor Party and Coalition that you will run a ‘vote for anyone but them’ public campaign at the next federal election. They’re the ones responsible for the privatisation of airports, the regulatory dog’s breakfast, the red tape and most of the other stuff that’s driven GA into the ground.
They don’t care, unless there’s a credible threat to their cozy duopoly. It’s happening slowly, but a high profile campaign against them by someone with your influence might help to ‘focus’ their attention on the threat.
They’ll all pretend to be ‘best buds’ with you Dick. Don’t fall for it again. They’ll promise you lots Dick. Don’t fall for it again.
Pat them on the head when the change you want occurs and ignore them whenever their lips are moving.
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I'm actually a little skeptical after what I saw last ANZAC day. During the dawn service in a small country town last year at the local ANZAC monument, the proprietor of the general store type shop, whom I'll just say is from another country, unlocked his front door and proceeded to walk inside and set off his alarm. He let the alarm blare no more than 30 metres from the monument for several minutes before walking to the back of the store to turn it off; much to the utter disbelief of current and past diggers and their families. I didn't think anyone would ever do something like that.. but they did, so nothing surprises me these days when I hear comments like the above.
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bastard needed arresting then and there for disturbing the peace.
"there should be a law against it."
someone should tell him he has offended in the worst way possible the proprieties held sacrosanct by most Australians with links to the First World War and the Second World War.
(the kids who drive me mad racing their loud dirt bikes hour after hour next door to me oblivious to complaint also need something drastic to stop them. I have to get in my car and drive away to a quieter place EVERYDAY} )
respect !! it is an outdated commodity.
"there should be a law against it."
someone should tell him he has offended in the worst way possible the proprieties held sacrosanct by most Australians with links to the First World War and the Second World War.
(the kids who drive me mad racing their loud dirt bikes hour after hour next door to me oblivious to complaint also need something drastic to stop them. I have to get in my car and drive away to a quieter place EVERYDAY} )
respect !! it is an outdated commodity.
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MDX flew close to Kempsey on the way down the coast.
Obviously of significance ! Most importantly in those days the pilot was forced to monitor Flight Service who were not allowed to use radar!
There.
Obviously of significance ! Most importantly in those days the pilot was forced to monitor Flight Service who were not allowed to use radar!
There.
I'm actually a little skeptical after what I saw last ANZAC day. During the dawn service in a small country town last year at the local ANZAC monument, the proprietor of the general store type shop, whom I'll just say is from another country, unlocked his front door and proceeded to walk inside and set off his alarm. He let the alarm blare no more than 30 metres from the monument for several minutes before walking to the back of the store to turn it off; much to the utter disbelief of current and past diggers and their families. I didn't think anyone would ever do something like that.. but they did, so nothing surprises me these days when I hear comments like the above.
If it happened here, I suspect some crusty RSL members would ... express their displeasure to the individual
