CASA must consider cost of regulation: Warren Truss
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CASA must consider cost of regulation: Warren Truss
A little over two and a half years ago, an article by Steve Creedy appeared in The Australian entitled "CASA must consider cost of regulation: Warren Truss". Here is a link.
It stated, among other things, that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority will be required:
Has anyone seen any measurable change in the last two and a half years in relation to this very brave move by Warren Truss?
It was certainly a change in the position that was started by John Anderson, where he made it quite clear that cost was not to be a consideration when it came to safety. Here are his famous statements:
It stated, among other things, that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority will be required:
“to consider the economic and cost impact of regulation”
It was certainly a change in the position that was started by John Anderson, where he made it quite clear that cost was not to be a consideration when it came to safety. Here are his famous statements:
“I don’t think you should ever regard aviation safety as what is affordable”
“Safety is something which has the highest priority – it is not a question of cost.”
“Safety is something which has the highest priority – it is not a question of cost.”
You dreaming again Dick? I don't even know who Warren Truss is and CASA will never make anything affordable, it is business as usual. Until the industry unites nothing will change and unity is never going to happen with the diverse mob of egos that make up aviation.
Fly your trike, play on your farm, whatever, this industry is almost finished and too far gone to save.
Fly your trike, play on your farm, whatever, this industry is almost finished and too far gone to save.
Hint Dick: You can tell when they’re bull****ting. Their lips are moving.
wow Aussiebob. Warren Truss is prominant powerbroker and it sounded like Dick bashing(maybe could phrase that better). Admittedly for training and charter things are bad. There are positives. Sure a lot of things are a bit of a pain in the butt but not that bad. Anyone noticed how helpful atc generally is to GA over the last couple of years? Ive had some really helpful controllers around Gold Coast, Brisbane Williamtown even.Thats a positive.
Cost benefit is an integral part of risk management. To put it in ridiculous terms an empty sky is a safe sky so why don't we keep our aircraft on the ground?
I am not sure who was writing Warren Truss's copy for him but safety has never been an absolute and has never been pursued "regardless of cost".
Nowadays safety management systems (SMS) try to predict what might happen and mitigate against it instead of waiting for an accident. However even an SMS has at its foundation a concept of what the populace will accept as a risk in order to enjoy the benefit arising from the activity. We call them Class A for unacceptable, Class B for skydivers/SAS troops, Class C for higher risk but manageable and Class D for acceptable. The SMS endeavour is to be forever trying to mitigate the As to Bs, the Bs to Cs and so on, however at the end of every mitigation event there comes, conciously or not, a cost benefit study.
A modern day example is driving. We accept the accident rate in order to be able to use vehicles. Technology exists to reduce the risk of injury or death in an accident. When it is developed it is expensive so most of us are forced to continue to carry the risk of driving, that is our own personal cost/benefit study. As the price of the technology comes down many of us eventually can afford it so we do. Cost/Benefit hard at work and the airline industry although many levels ahead of the automotive, is governed by the same rules of human behaviour.
I am not sure who was writing Warren Truss's copy for him but safety has never been an absolute and has never been pursued "regardless of cost".
Nowadays safety management systems (SMS) try to predict what might happen and mitigate against it instead of waiting for an accident. However even an SMS has at its foundation a concept of what the populace will accept as a risk in order to enjoy the benefit arising from the activity. We call them Class A for unacceptable, Class B for skydivers/SAS troops, Class C for higher risk but manageable and Class D for acceptable. The SMS endeavour is to be forever trying to mitigate the As to Bs, the Bs to Cs and so on, however at the end of every mitigation event there comes, conciously or not, a cost benefit study.
A modern day example is driving. We accept the accident rate in order to be able to use vehicles. Technology exists to reduce the risk of injury or death in an accident. When it is developed it is expensive so most of us are forced to continue to carry the risk of driving, that is our own personal cost/benefit study. As the price of the technology comes down many of us eventually can afford it so we do. Cost/Benefit hard at work and the airline industry although many levels ahead of the automotive, is governed by the same rules of human behaviour.
Are you mad?
The risk of death in an aircraft accident must be mitigated at any cost. Death in an aircraft accident is so much more terrible than being incinerated after wrapping a car around a tree on the highway.
The risk of death in an aircraft accident must be mitigated at any cost. Death in an aircraft accident is so much more terrible than being incinerated after wrapping a car around a tree on the highway.
Is the current society psyche the problem..?
An aircraft accident upsets the 'mystique of aviation' and proves that aeroplanes and defying gravity is extremely dangerous...and has to be legislated out of existence.
Courtesy of CAsA and the shipload of regs, instruments permissions and everything that cobbled up in the name of "safety".
And prangs get good media attention., so citizens see the danger, how unsafe it is, and are put off.
Meanwhile out on the road, bingles, severe crashes and everyday fatalities hardly make the news unless, very spectacular or some 'names' involved.
Motorist know about all this carnage, but since yr vehicle is the common mode of transport used by all...whats to do?
I don't accept the road toll , but can only drive to hopefully stay alive...but there are so many, lines, signs, lights, loonies, crook roads, hoons and vehicles coming at ya every which way, accidents are inevitable. You may be the cause or an innocent victim.
Whats to do.?
Autonomous vehicles may be the answer, when all the problems are solved.
The solution is to get CAsA out of whats left of Aviation and moved to Road Transport.
Fatalities WILL reduce because the regs, paperwork, time and costs as well as all the onerous and expensive car maintenance regimes, licence approvals and medicals will get many drivers and their cars off the roads. Thus accidents will be fewer. Safer, see.
Empty roads are safe roads
Go for it Baarnaby !!
An aircraft accident upsets the 'mystique of aviation' and proves that aeroplanes and defying gravity is extremely dangerous...and has to be legislated out of existence.
Courtesy of CAsA and the shipload of regs, instruments permissions and everything that cobbled up in the name of "safety".
And prangs get good media attention., so citizens see the danger, how unsafe it is, and are put off.
Meanwhile out on the road, bingles, severe crashes and everyday fatalities hardly make the news unless, very spectacular or some 'names' involved.
Motorist know about all this carnage, but since yr vehicle is the common mode of transport used by all...whats to do?
I don't accept the road toll , but can only drive to hopefully stay alive...but there are so many, lines, signs, lights, loonies, crook roads, hoons and vehicles coming at ya every which way, accidents are inevitable. You may be the cause or an innocent victim.
Whats to do.?
Autonomous vehicles may be the answer, when all the problems are solved.
The solution is to get CAsA out of whats left of Aviation and moved to Road Transport.
Fatalities WILL reduce because the regs, paperwork, time and costs as well as all the onerous and expensive car maintenance regimes, licence approvals and medicals will get many drivers and their cars off the roads. Thus accidents will be fewer. Safer, see.
Empty roads are safe roads
Go for it Baarnaby !!
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I have always wondered what is is about aviation accidents that seem to get so much attention for media coverage. All loss of life is tragic but it seems the way in which it occurs will have a drastly different effect on how it is covered.
On the other topic without sounding overly sarcastic.. has anyone ever had any good dealing with CASA?
On the other topic without sounding overly sarcastic.. has anyone ever had any good dealing with CASA?
You dreaming again Dick? I don't even know who Warren Truss is and CASA will never make anything affordable, it is business as usual. Until the industry unites nothing will change and unity is never going to happen with the diverse mob of egos that make up aviation.
Fly your trike, play on your farm, whatever, this industry is almost finished and too far gone to save.
Fly your trike, play on your farm, whatever, this industry is almost finished and too far gone to save.
Warren Truss was another do nothing National Party Minister with Aviation in his portfolio during a period of Coalition (Liberals + Nationals) Government. When I led a deputation to him when he was Minister around 2005 and attempted to iterate all the bureaucratic ills of General Aviation, the same but not as bad as the present day disastrous rules, with view to growth policies, he cut me short after one minute. He then proceeded to tell us GA professionals how all was rosy in the garden. All his CASA scripted pronouncements when Minister were of no value whatever because he and CASA had no intention of spoiling the most blatant and irresponsible waste of public money by this fee gouging make work salary factory. The failed model of governance, the independent Commonwealth corporate, outside of the Public Service, making up all sorts of unnecessary permissions and then applying monstrous fees to bolster their fat budget. This ‘user pays’ idea off the back of Thatcher privatisations, and enthusiastically sold to Ministers of 30 years ago, has cost the whole country uncountable $billions. User pays can never work when there’s no competition and the the regulator is not controlled by Parliament.
As for ‘the industry must be united’ surely you don’t expect anyone to believe that old saw? The whole point about government is to resolve problems and provide a workable framework for people to freely go about their business.
Too bad you’ve thrown in the towel ‘too far gone’ (as above) and then find it appropriate to denigrate a person trying to help GA and all who might benefit down the track. Into the bargain I don’t imagine any personal gain for Dick Smith. I don’t imagine Aussies to be so spineless as just cop it and drop out. So get with the strength and throw your weight in behind anyone who wants to see Australian aviation come out from the doldrums and flourish once again.
Wren and Extralight ....
You have both accused me of denigrating Dick, for this I offer my apology and I know that Dick has a thick enough skin to wear it. No offense whatsoever was meant to Dick but it is, IMHO a sensible suggestion for him to do. Aviation is a dead horse, at least the GA end of it is. A few shining beacons perhaps; like my little Part 41 school
, a few helpful CASA staff, ATC etc, but these lights do not an industry make. Wren, I know you remember the '80s. It wasn't that bright then but it definitely shone a whole heap more and had an air of hope. Yesterday Avgas was $2.70 at the local, while Mogas down the road was $1.43. That about says it all, in both cases it is the Government that takes by far the biggest slice but common opinion blames the fuel companies.
Wren, thanks, I remember who this Warren bloke is now, that is who I suspected it was. Thanks for the brain jog.
You have both accused me of denigrating Dick, for this I offer my apology and I know that Dick has a thick enough skin to wear it. No offense whatsoever was meant to Dick but it is, IMHO a sensible suggestion for him to do. Aviation is a dead horse, at least the GA end of it is. A few shining beacons perhaps; like my little Part 41 school
, a few helpful CASA staff, ATC etc, but these lights do not an industry make. Wren, I know you remember the '80s. It wasn't that bright then but it definitely shone a whole heap more and had an air of hope. Yesterday Avgas was $2.70 at the local, while Mogas down the road was $1.43. That about says it all, in both cases it is the Government that takes by far the biggest slice but common opinion blames the fuel companies.Wren, thanks, I remember who this Warren bloke is now, that is who I suspected it was. Thanks for the brain jog.
