wow Aussiebob. Warren Truss is prominant powerbroker and it sounded like Dick bashing(maybe could phrase that better). Admittedly for training and charter things are bad. There are positives. Sure a lot of things are a bit of a pain in the butt but not that bad. Anyone noticed how helpful atc generally is to GA over the last couple of years? Ive had some really helpful controllers around Gold Coast, Brisbane Williamtown even.Thats a positive.