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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 06:04
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NT C210

Sad news again.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 06:45
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2017 has been a bugger of a year for GA.

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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 06:52
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Sad news indeed, keep frosty out there boys and girls, it can be difficult even at the best of times.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 06:55
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Air Frontier 210 en route Darwin to Elcho according to NT News.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 07:08
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Reports that the wings came off?

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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 08:08
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
Reports that the wings came off?

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Given the wings are in the trees i suspect they departed when it hit the trees.

BTW the ABC definition of Howard Springs is pretty loose.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 08:15
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On the little info and the statement of 2 distinct separate areas, but not seeing them.

The wing that is vertically against the tree does seem to part of a wing a fair way from the fuse (a few feet).

If this is one area and the other a few hundred meters away on the other side of the road, I doubt the wings came off but one was removed by a tree. 200 m is not very far unless you are very low such as survey - so if the wings came off I expect they would be much further from the rest of the craft.

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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 08:46
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There were a few large buildups out in the area this afternoon where they come down. Looking at one photo on the ABC report, looks like there had been rain in the area.

Not good news.

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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 09:46
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Very sad news!! Normally the 210s are bulletproof in strength.

The CASA link above shows the CofR holder and Operator only changed last month too
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 10:30
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The wings didn't look like they were ripped off by impact.
The leading edges all look not too bad.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 10:44
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Originally Posted by cowl flaps View Post
The wings didn't look like they were ripped off by impact.
The leading edges all look not too bad.
I did not see the in/bd point the wing departed - it will be localized if it was a tree trunk/s.

Impact with water will flatten the leading edge - and separate it from the rest of wing about 2 foot from wing attach point (the weak point). Have photos if you need them.


Other than that what will make leading edges look bad?
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 20:13
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If they are relatively intact and I'm not mistaken, it wouldn't be the first time 210 wings have departed in flight.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 20:58
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Bend Alot. I would be interested in seeing photos.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 22:40
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If they are relatively intact and I'm not mistaken, it wouldn't be the first time 210 wings have departed in flight.
Here we go again. C210 wings are weak because they don't have struts according to ill informed people/pilots. Yet they happily jump into their strutless Bonanzas and Pipers.

Like any aircraft they will shed wings when flown way outside the envelope or when they hit something solid enough.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 22:59
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ABC reporting this morning that the wings were located 400m from the fuselage.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 23:08
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Coffin on board

Coffin in a 210 is a tight fit. where were the 2 middle seats? what was used to support the coffin in the middle section. Were tiedown straps used to secure the coffin to some fixed point. In a turbulent situation if the horizontal stab got deflected up causing the nose to pitch slightly down, would that have caused the coffin to move fwd slightly. If it pushed on the co pilot seatback even a little distance would cause the control column to push down. That would also increase the airspeed and take it beyond va of 110 kts even with pwr off. When this company has other suitable aircraft for coffin they why the hell would you use the most unsuitable type for this job. Use a bloody 207 or bonanza or something. Wats the use of owning 60 planes when all of them are junk. own 10 and have them in good condition.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 23:23
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A moving coffin? I've heard it all now!
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 00:19
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As you say Corvallis, a coffin run in a C210 is definitely a tight fit. Able to be done but generally the front copilot seat is removed entirely from what I've witnessed before. I've seen milk crates used to support the coffin where the middle row seat is removed and everything strapped down. It is however possible, that if this was the case, the coffin could have shifted in bad turbulence.
If the copilot seat was removed to facilitate the coffin, this begs the question where the second person was seated in the aircraft? I've heard that this was a training flight with 2 pilots on board (admittedly not confirmed) so I'm assuming ICUS in which case the copilot seat would have been occupied.
I hate to speculate so I'll leave it there but what a terribly tragic event.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 00:31
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Anyone know how to bring up the radar weather picture for the time of the event - 1330 local? Looked at the BOM site but beyond my capabilities (not hard).
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