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Old 27th Sep 2017, 00:59
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Sweet Surrender has just won the stupidest comment of the decade
Quite an accolade to earn there sport.... well done
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 01:15
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Well thanks guys. Not often I get compliments.

Organise rescue?

OK. The Essendon accident was in the middle of the aerodrome. I don't think multiple Mayday's were required to alert the rescue services. Brisbane was in the middle of the training area with full radar coverage and people visible on the ground nearby.

Again I pose the question, why are people making mayday calls instead of FLYING.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 01:28
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Mayday

I wonder how much time he had after clearing the cloud referred to ? But I would expect they were both flying and talking on the radio at the same time. This is a flat spin right ? Has the Diamond got an issue like this ? They must have been comfortable with what was happening above the cloud until they realised perhaps that it was not going to recover, and then hit the transmit button ... I wonder.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 02:09
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Not saying a spin was definitely the issue but from what I can read, fully developed spin recovery for DA 40 (not approved for spinning that i can see) is idle, forward stick and opposite rudder. Pretty instinctive for most of us probably but perhaps not someone that has mostly flown non spin approved aircraft? Be easy to keep back stick if in a bit of a panic with the nose down.

Anyway very tragic and hopefully the cause is found so that it may help others avoid the same.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 02:14
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Originally Posted by beer bong View Post
Sweet Surrender has just won the stupidest comment of the decade.
Isn't it ' Aviate, navigate, communicate', in that order.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 05:52
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Despite my wife believing otherwise I can actually do two things at once and with the PTT on the control column I'm confident I could slip out s mayday call of some sorts whilst working to safe the aircraft and myself (inc. pax). It's always good for investigators to hear of a mayday call so they can immediately discount certain scenarios, plus rescue as above.

I've heard so many times that the crashed aircraft was found up to a couple of days later within close proximity to the departure aerodrome because there was no radio comms.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 06:52
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it's called multi-tasking...
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 10:37
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Legend in the lunch box as usual for your posts.
Get the facts first.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 11:45
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Get the facts first.
Ah, what facts?
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 01:39
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I reckon I'd hate an ATSB report to read that some POB had survived a crash but died due to the time taken to locate the wreckage because I didn't try and let someone know what was happening.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 03:00
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I reckon I'd hate an ATSB report to read that some POB had died because they had wasted time making radio calls when they should have spent the time trying to recover.

A wing falls off, yes make a radio call. The aircraft is in a spin / spiral dive, normal aeroplane stuff, spend your time recovering, not admitting defeat.

(these comments are not reference this specific incident but the apparent trend to communicate before they aviate )
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 04:27
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Agreed.

No point wasting time talking to someone with no appreciation of your situation who is unable to help even if they did.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 04:52
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the circumstances will dictate what I would do.
Sure in a spin situation I too would be fighting every second to effect a recovery. On the other hand, an engine failure at altitude over remote country I'd be onto Centre pretty damn quick too.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 05:54
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Legend in the lunch box as usual for your posts.
Get the facts first.
I was referring to pilots being able to do more than one thing at a time. I this case we had two pilots, maybe the non-flying pilot put out the call when it was obvious that something was wrong. There is no evidence that they were in a developed spin and started talking..
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 11:22
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Hopefully there'll be a leak about some previous regulatory action against either or both of the dead POB, so that the usual smug 'tut tutting' can be engaged in by the usual suspects.

Clearly there should be more regulations and restrictions around flying. There should be a list of circumstances in which pilots commit an offence if a mayday is transmitted. One of the circumstances should be any in which a couple of arseclowns on PPRuNe decide that a mayday should not have been transmitted.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 12:03
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
Hopefully there'll be a leak about some previous regulatory action against either or both of the dead POB, so that the usual smug 'tut tutting' can be engaged in by the usual suspects.

Clearly there should be more regulations and restrictions around flying. There should be a list of circumstances in which pilots commit an offence if a mayday is transmitted. One of the circumstances should be any in which a couple of arseclowns on PPRuNe decide that a mayday should not have been transmitted.
You'll be voting NO then...





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Old 28th Sep 2017, 22:35
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What's an arseclown?
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 04:12
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An "arseclown" is a CAsA person who has a 'set' on you and gets off on writing your pvt mobile number on toilet walls so you get calls from those chaps of the gay persuasion.

I kid you not.

I think its called harassment.
We will soon see who has the last laugh.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 06:52
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Spinning was mentioned prior, it's a pity it's not in the syllabus any longer.

A 421 in a spin, two deaths, 26th Sep.

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Old 30th Sep 2017, 02:04
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Seems the Diamonds don't recover easily from a spin.....
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