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Old 26th Sep 2017, 00:48
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One down at Jimboomba (SEQ)

Just seen on 7 News website, difficult to make out what aircraft but could be a Diamond.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 00:51
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Hearing 2 fatalities.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 01:01
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Ah bugger! Thanks for the update, the initial blurry, distant photo didn't look too bad, but that one in the ABC report tells the story - that was a hell of an impact to do that. RIP fellow aviators.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 01:32
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If my memory serves me correctly, is there not a training area out that way? In any event very sad to hear.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 01:39
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VH-MPM DA40 Photo Sky News
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 06:03
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Plenty more info on channel 9 news than here! over moderated I guess. The witness report is disturbing for this type.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 07:34
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Can't say I'd seen any signs of moderation - anyhow what was it that you found disturbing? Only report I could find on nine news site referred to aircraft entering a "spiral" and crashing, which could mean anything, or nothing.
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My missing post about the impact and a reply to the training area.


The witness gave a bit more info than that, and the reliable Wiki has this as never a stall related accident aircraft type, and reference to the cirrus's parachute being a faster decent than this aircraft in a decent.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 08:25
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reference to the cirrus's parachute being a faster decent than this aircraft in a decent.
I've heard that one too. You are apparently better off in a DA40 holding the control column full aft in a stalling descent than you are in a Cirrus with the parachute deployed. Not sure how accurate such a claim is though.

How many DA40 fatals have we had in Aus? You could probably count them on a single hand...
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 08:52
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Hmm, hadn't seen your post, Band a Lot. As far as the cause of the crash goes, big difference between mushing down with both wings more or less stalled and a spin, which the "spiral" comment points to. Looking at the video, I'd hazard a guess that the descent rate in a spin is substantially higher than the 600-1200 fpm which the wiki refers to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgtTf1xbq-U
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And what was it 1600 + views and only a handful of comments from us aviation personal that are highly opinionated and happy to place forward a comment from a RIP to how could this have gone into a stall.

I say over moderated is a factor - sad when this leads to persons trying to get info from MSM other than a place that can give more insight even if the clay needs to be extracted from some comments by readers.


These 2 threads today are very light on comment and if it was a certain place in Korean national pilot and not a Hong Kong student pilot I would find that acceptable and normal.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 09:39
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Spinner half buried and both wings generally have wing extremities - tail off hard to right.


A spin is a hard call on the placed parts we see.


But that is my opinion.

A mostly nose down with a slight right wing low seems a the cards.

But how and why?


P.S. RIP and I don't for a moment blame either at this stage.
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Somewhat reminiscent of the Bristell that went down in Vic a month or so back. Certainly not an overly nose low vertical impact and the wings mostly intact are pointing to pancaking.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 10:22
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Originally Posted by Band a Lot View Post
And what was it 1600 + views and only a handful of comments from us aviation personal that are highly opinionated and happy to place forward a comment from a RIP to how could this have gone into a stall.

I say over moderated is a factor - sad when this leads to persons trying to get info from MSM other than a place that can give more insight.....
Interesting... and yet those trained investigators who we task with giving more "insight" into aircraft accidents make the comment.. "...it is too early to speculate about what caused the fatal crash, the ATSB and CASA say..."

Mayday call attempted before fatal light plane crash near Beaudesert






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Old 26th Sep 2017, 10:49
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I will go on record!


The FATAL crash was due the unsurvivable nose down impact with the Earth even thou the seats could survive a 500 g impact.


The eye witness seems to know a bit more about the flights around his turf than others.


Trained investigators are employed by the same folk as our governing CASA employees, many of them I find hard to call experts or even capable of much in aviation.

So lets wait for the report from the experts.


For the record I think it is a +50% or close 50/50 this may be a non pilot issue and a external factor may be involved.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 10:55
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One witness on TV said it emerged from cloud in a spiral and just kept on spinning till it hit the ground. The skies were clear while filming the interview, but there could have been cloud earlier.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 23:22
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With all due respect to the pilots involved.

Why is there now a trend (King Air Essendon) for pilots to waste time giving a Mayday call when there is no one, other than themselves, who can help them. It would seem to be a lot more productive to use that time to attempt to regain control.
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With all due respect to the pilots involved.

Why is there now a trend (King Air Essendon) for pilots to waste time giving a Mayday call when there is no one, other than themselves, who can help them. It would seem to be a lot more productive to use that time to attempt to regain control.

Probably so search and rescue can be arranged immediately. Clearly if you are near the controlled aerodrome of departure you will likely be on radar or at least being procedurally monitored, but to save thinking "is anyone likely to be watching me on radar", I guess it is good airmanship to send out a mayday regardless just in case no one is watching.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 00:32
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Sweet Surrender has just won the stupidest comment of the decade.
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