Mallard Down in Perth
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Ok lets wait for the ATSB report!
No black boxes, video evidence is out clearly showing prior flight and crash.
ATSB when no video, obtains its evidence from Joe Public and remains of aircraft if any and aircraft pilot records when no boxes.
ATSB are not 100% correct and it is only often a opinion of a possible cause - for this in almost any crash we wait 1 year.
For this alone ATSB lose much credibility, but funniest of all is Pro Pilots will then place comment on said ATSB reports (after the experts will all information and data have concluded the report) these said pilots have largest watches of all.
The Mallard stalled, no report of engine inconsistencies ("Pilots" on here witnessed the crash) sadly Pilot error claimed his life and his girlfriend. It was not his intention but he caused the accident to happen.
My condolences to family/s in particular his and her kids.
No black boxes, video evidence is out clearly showing prior flight and crash.
ATSB when no video, obtains its evidence from Joe Public and remains of aircraft if any and aircraft pilot records when no boxes.
ATSB are not 100% correct and it is only often a opinion of a possible cause - for this in almost any crash we wait 1 year.
For this alone ATSB lose much credibility, but funniest of all is Pro Pilots will then place comment on said ATSB reports (after the experts will all information and data have concluded the report) these said pilots have largest watches of all.
The Mallard stalled, no report of engine inconsistencies ("Pilots" on here witnessed the crash) sadly Pilot error claimed his life and his girlfriend. It was not his intention but he caused the accident to happen.
My condolences to family/s in particular his and her kids.
Don't know about it being an illusion. Basic physics would suggest if you have to do a 180 degree turn in a restricted space, turning into the wind is going to be much more comfortable then turning with it.
I'm sure there is a lot of still images and video footage taken from all angles that will never be given to the authorities for review.
Agree with Leadie, time to lock the thread - Enough has been said in relation to this accident for the time being. Who cares who is right or wrong in terms of what caused this tragic accident, we need to be cognisant of the fact that what we professionals post here could be quoted and manipulated in the media or other forums without our consent. It's occurred before, with Pprune being mentioned in newsprint.
Certainly open up another thread relating to the dangers of aircraft performance degradation in high OAT temperatures, however this accident doesn't need to be mentioned.
Agree with Leadie, time to lock the thread - Enough has been said in relation to this accident for the time being. Who cares who is right or wrong in terms of what caused this tragic accident, we need to be cognisant of the fact that what we professionals post here could be quoted and manipulated in the media or other forums without our consent. It's occurred before, with Pprune being mentioned in newsprint.
Certainly open up another thread relating to the dangers of aircraft performance degradation in high OAT temperatures, however this accident doesn't need to be mentioned.
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"cognisant of the fact"
R stands for rumor if you were not aware.
Give a good reason it should be closed. This was a lucky crash 10,s of 1,000s were in his flying area. All innocent when he lost control - or you have evidence he has control?
It was a lucky crash in numbers NOT killed, and that also needs to be acknowledged.
R stands for rumor if you were not aware.
Give a good reason it should be closed. This was a lucky crash 10,s of 1,000s were in his flying area. All innocent when he lost control - or you have evidence he has control?
It was a lucky crash in numbers NOT killed, and that also needs to be acknowledged.
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All fatal accidents are tragic, as are losses of rare aircraft.
There is a lot of visual info to form opinions here.
I suggest that anyone here flying "heavy" light aircraft really do some quality training (including stalls, turning stalls and VMCA training) and back that up with lots of practice and currency. (Within your own limitations with plenty of air room)
There is a trend here.
(FTDK's username is a clue.)
There is a lot of visual info to form opinions here.
I suggest that anyone here flying "heavy" light aircraft really do some quality training (including stalls, turning stalls and VMCA training) and back that up with lots of practice and currency. (Within your own limitations with plenty of air room)
There is a trend here.
(FTDK's username is a clue.)
This was a lucky crash 10,s of 1,000s were in his flying area. All innocent when he lost control - or you have evidence he has control?
It was a lucky crash in numbers NOT killed, and that also needs to be acknowledged.
It was a lucky crash in numbers NOT killed, and that also needs to be acknowledged.
After the Shoreham crash in 2015 in the UK there is a great deal of focus about NOT flying over the crowd.
The area that the air display is in is clear of people and the single engine aircraft can use that as a forced landing area.
I'm sure there is a lot of still images and video footage taken from all angles that will never be given to the authorities for review.
As for the approvals, if the following is correct reporting of what CASA said, what was the pilot actually approved to do. The following, as normal from CASA, is very ambiguous, or was it intentional by the CASA spokesperson.
"All aircraft operating as part of the air display sought and received approval from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority to do so," CASA said in the statement.
"Under the regulations, except during take-off and landing, or where specifically approved as part of the program of events, the minimum height at which any aircraft may operate is 500 feet above ground level.
"Air displays over built up (suburban) areas, public gatherings and vessels on the surface of a body of water are not normally approved."
I did Riverfire in Brisbane a long time ago. The approval from CASA was straight in and out. No turns below 1500 feet except to follow the river.
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Yep got a rare aircraft in Australia only 2 of these large radials on AU rego.
It always depends on what CASA person and office that approve things - opinons vary greatly within CASA.
It always depends on what CASA person and office that approve things - opinons vary greatly within CASA.
The latest news article shows an instagram photo allegedly by the pilot's partner
Swan River plane crash Instagram video inside the aircraft
That her hand is on the controls is sure to raise some questions.
Swan River plane crash Instagram video inside the aircraft
That her hand is on the controls is sure to raise some questions.
Video footage seems to show her on the controls on the right side and then sitting on the left side Swan River plane crash Instagram video inside the aircraft
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That her hand is on the controls is sure to raise some questions.
Judging by some of the comments on this thread I'm surprised some of the 'pilots' here are able to fly a circuit, given the dreaded turn from downwind, into wind. FFS don't you do that on most occasions every time you land?
My uncalled-for, tuppence worth: Seems to me a case of a skidding turn and, as witnessed by the video, an attempt to recover that skid by trying to roll right, instead of applying right rudder. Down goes the left aileron, up goes the angle of attack on that wing (not helped by it being the 'inside, slower' wing of the turn), left wing stalls and Robert is your uncle with, unfortunately, not enough height to recover.
Ref. CAR 228
AC 91-060 para 6.13
https://www.casa.gov.au/file/146296/...token=bdikAdlu
https://www.casa.gov.au/file/146296/...token=bdikAdlu
"That her hand is on the controls is sure to raise some questions."
That she seemed to be in the left seat, presumably being coaxed along what was actually an unflyble circuit from the downwind leg, is sure to raise some questions, although it may provide some answers as well.
That she seemed to be in the left seat, presumably being coaxed along what was actually an unflyble circuit from the downwind leg, is sure to raise some questions, although it may provide some answers as well.
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Video footage seems to show her on the controls on the right side and then sitting on the left side Swan River plane crash Instagram video inside the aircraft
On many phones, when you swap cameras to selfie mode, the video is reversed to a mirror image.
See:
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-selfie...images-are-not
Looks like Ms Cakrawati has here left hand on the right yoke. Have a look at a Mallard's controls to see that the left wheel doesn't have the yoke arm attached on the left side, the right hand yoke does though.
You guys should join the ATSB.......jeeez
You guys should join the ATSB.......jeeez