Hung Parliament - lost opportunity for reform?
via mcgrath50:
Yes the scam that will help Australia transition to a carbon free economy, make sure at the cutting edge of where the world is going technology wise and ensure the planet is still habitable for my and future generations. What an evil man Xenophon is.
Yes the scam that will help Australia transition to a carbon free economy, make sure at the cutting edge of where the world is going technology wise and ensure the planet is still habitable for my and future generations. What an evil man Xenophon is.
Hmmm... I dont think you've put much thought to it mcgrath50
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Spot on Flying Binghi. 1st it was 'global warming' then it morphed into 'climate change', now I hear there's a good chance we're heading to a mini ice age in the not too distant future..!
All the scare mongering that's been going on by the likes of Al Gore et al is now being proven to be a compete crock. All the predictions of doom & gloom, the temperature rising, the sea levels rising, never getting any good rains again, etc etc. So much of the 'science' around all this is now proving to be flawed. So much of the computer modelling that predicted all this is now being proven to be incorrect when the actual data is turning out to be completely different (ie nowhere near as bad) to what was predicted.
As far as I'm concerned, this is one the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the general public, of all time.
I'd suggest our political leaders do some of their own research into the subject before they send this country further into abject poverty, instead of blindly following the rest of the western world over the cliff. The current crop, including Nick X, will have us sending billions overseas to make absolutely no difference to anything but the bank balances of overseas climate change shysters & frauds.
All the scare mongering that's been going on by the likes of Al Gore et al is now being proven to be a compete crock. All the predictions of doom & gloom, the temperature rising, the sea levels rising, never getting any good rains again, etc etc. So much of the 'science' around all this is now proving to be flawed. So much of the computer modelling that predicted all this is now being proven to be incorrect when the actual data is turning out to be completely different (ie nowhere near as bad) to what was predicted.
As far as I'm concerned, this is one the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the general public, of all time.
I'd suggest our political leaders do some of their own research into the subject before they send this country further into abject poverty, instead of blindly following the rest of the western world over the cliff. The current crop, including Nick X, will have us sending billions overseas to make absolutely no difference to anything but the bank balances of overseas climate change shysters & frauds.
IFEZ, you can't possibly deny Climate Change can you? There's billions of years of Earths History where it has constantly changed, it's always changing! The "Mini Ice Age" they're talking about drew my attention as well, but have a bit more of a read and they're saying that it simply means a small decline in temperature, not that the world is going to Ice over, it really is a poor name, but certainly a catchy headline. Experts suggest it will cause warming to slow down but not to reverse and it will only last maybe 20 years before going back to how it is now.
I don't like Al Gore, I hate the "Global Warming" hype, but there is definitely Climate Change, we are having an affect on it for sure, I personally believe the world is far more complicated that a lot of people choose to believe, it has many different processes that help balance it out when events happen such as too much carbon, so much of it we're only barely beginning to understand which is why I hate all the models that people put out which cannot possibly be correct as they're based only on what we currently understand which is so damned little!
In short, we do need to give businesses a good reason (A financial reason unfortunately) to convince them to reduce their impact, otherwise they won't, simple as that. Only way to really get businesses to do what is good for everyone else is to eat away at their bottom line in some way.
In a perfect world you should just be able to tell them "Hey, you're polluting the world, you should spend a little to help clean up after yourself..." but you can't, instead we have to go with the "Hey, you're polluting so we're going to tax you more, but if you take actions to reduce your impact we'll reduce the amount you'll be taxed by a greater amount than what you spent"
I don't like Al Gore, I hate the "Global Warming" hype, but there is definitely Climate Change, we are having an affect on it for sure, I personally believe the world is far more complicated that a lot of people choose to believe, it has many different processes that help balance it out when events happen such as too much carbon, so much of it we're only barely beginning to understand which is why I hate all the models that people put out which cannot possibly be correct as they're based only on what we currently understand which is so damned little!
In short, we do need to give businesses a good reason (A financial reason unfortunately) to convince them to reduce their impact, otherwise they won't, simple as that. Only way to really get businesses to do what is good for everyone else is to eat away at their bottom line in some way.
In a perfect world you should just be able to tell them "Hey, you're polluting the world, you should spend a little to help clean up after yourself..." but you can't, instead we have to go with the "Hey, you're polluting so we're going to tax you more, but if you take actions to reduce your impact we'll reduce the amount you'll be taxed by a greater amount than what you spent"
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When the major event that can't be mentioned here occurred, I suggested that it was paralleling the great NSW railway strike of the early 1900s. Many similarities occurred in both including bringing in the military, alternative labour and placing the later arrivals first on the seniority list.
However when the dust settled after the unspeakable event, then the 2 disputes were very different. Unlike the railway strike nothing political was organised by the pilots or the industry.The railway workers went into politics and from that their reps became Prime Minister and NSW State Premier.
Why the different results? If we could come up with an answer on that then we may be able as an industry to work out an action plan.
Wunwing
However when the dust settled after the unspeakable event, then the 2 disputes were very different. Unlike the railway strike nothing political was organised by the pilots or the industry.The railway workers went into politics and from that their reps became Prime Minister and NSW State Premier.
Why the different results? If we could come up with an answer on that then we may be able as an industry to work out an action plan.
Wunwing
Wunwing,
Flying Binghi and IFEZ have just demonstrated why this industry will never gel into a political force: There is a portion of the population who lose their hair in apopleptic fury every time someone says something non-scathing about
- Climate Change
- Gay Marriage
- Islam
- Malcolm Turnbull
- Barak Obama.
Instead of looking at NX's pro-aviation conduct, especially in needling Qantas over Jetstar and the Group's creative cost-shifting, FB picks out one part of NX's policies and makes it part of an international conspiracy
Flying Binghi and IFEZ have just demonstrated why this industry will never gel into a political force: There is a portion of the population who lose their hair in apopleptic fury every time someone says something non-scathing about
- Climate Change
- Gay Marriage
- Islam
- Malcolm Turnbull
- Barak Obama.
Instead of looking at NX's pro-aviation conduct, especially in needling Qantas over Jetstar and the Group's creative cost-shifting, FB picks out one part of NX's policies and makes it part of an international conspiracy
via Horatio Leafblower:
Wunwing,
Flying Binghi and IFEZ have just demonstrated why this industry will never gel into a political force: There is a portion of the population who lose their hair in apopleptic fury every time someone says something non-scathing about
- Climate Change
- Gay Marriage
- Islam
- Malcolm Turnbull
- Barak Obama.
Instead of looking at NX's pro-aviation conduct, especially in needling Qantas over Jetstar and the Group's creative cost-shifting, FB picks out one part of NX's policies and makes it part of an international conspiracy.
Wunwing,
Flying Binghi and IFEZ have just demonstrated why this industry will never gel into a political force: There is a portion of the population who lose their hair in apopleptic fury every time someone says something non-scathing about
- Climate Change
- Gay Marriage
- Islam
- Malcolm Turnbull
- Barak Obama.
Instead of looking at NX's pro-aviation conduct, especially in needling Qantas over Jetstar and the Group's creative cost-shifting, FB picks out one part of NX's policies and makes it part of an international conspiracy.
.....Hmmm, I do note that as a barely literate hill farmer my abilitie to put 'emotion' into me words do be a bit lacking at times though being considered apopletic is a new one on me..
Horatio Leafblower, I dont know if you've noticed though yer mate xenophoney is a supporter of the carbon scam which is adding costs to Australian business, like aviation, that affects our international competitiveness amongst other things.
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See Sunfish why your proposition in theory possibly might work but why in practice its never going to. You suggest a "strategy". A strategy requires a common ideal and a plan. A plan that all parties are committed to. In aviation you cannot achieve this. If you could then AOPA, AAAA, RAAA would pool their resources and present a united group to the politicians but each has their own vested interest and desired outcomes. The sad fact is the majority of Australian voters do not give a nano second of thought to the state of the aviation industry and would not even know who or what CASA is/does.
I would love to mount a case to demonstrate that GA is relevant and necessary to Australian society but I am struggling to convince even myself these days
via fpvdude:
No chance you could potentially see the irony that you bang on and on about a conspiracy by scientists to get rich, yet here you are with an increadibly vested interest (as stated by your nutjob-self)...?
No chance you could potentially see the irony that you bang on and on about a conspiracy by scientists to get rich, yet here you are with an increadibly vested interest (as stated by your nutjob-self)...?
fpvdude, please do provide a reference to where you got the "conspiracy by scientists" idea from..... or perhaps yer think al gore is a scientist. A lot do it appears..
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via Ixixly:
IFEZ, you can't possibly deny Climate Change can you? There's billions of years of Earths History where it has constantly changed, it's always changing! The "Mini Ice Age" they're talking about drew my attention as well, but have a bit more of a read and they're saying that it simply means a small decline in temperature, not that the world is going to Ice over, it really is a poor name, but certainly a catchy headline. Experts suggest it will cause warming to slow down but not to reverse and it will only last maybe 20 years before going back to how it is now.
I don't like Al Gore, I hate the "Global Warming" hype, but there is definitely Climate Change, we are having an affect on it for sure, I personally believe the world is far more complicated that a lot of people choose to believe, it has many different processes that help balance it out when events happen such as too much carbon, so much of it we're only barely beginning to understand which is why I hate all the models that people put out which cannot possibly be correct as they're based only on what we currently understand which is so damned little!
In short, we do need to give businesses a good reason (A financial reason unfortunately) to convince them to reduce their impact, otherwise they won't, simple as that. Only way to really get businesses to do what is good for everyone else is to eat away at their bottom line in some way.
In a perfect world you should just be able to tell them "Hey, you're polluting the world, you should spend a little to help clean up after yourself..." but you can't, instead we have to go with the "Hey, you're polluting so we're going to tax you more, but if you take actions to reduce your impact we'll reduce the amount you'll be taxed by a greater amount than what you spent"
IFEZ, you can't possibly deny Climate Change can you? There's billions of years of Earths History where it has constantly changed, it's always changing! The "Mini Ice Age" they're talking about drew my attention as well, but have a bit more of a read and they're saying that it simply means a small decline in temperature, not that the world is going to Ice over, it really is a poor name, but certainly a catchy headline. Experts suggest it will cause warming to slow down but not to reverse and it will only last maybe 20 years before going back to how it is now.
I don't like Al Gore, I hate the "Global Warming" hype, but there is definitely Climate Change, we are having an affect on it for sure, I personally believe the world is far more complicated that a lot of people choose to believe, it has many different processes that help balance it out when events happen such as too much carbon, so much of it we're only barely beginning to understand which is why I hate all the models that people put out which cannot possibly be correct as they're based only on what we currently understand which is so damned little!
In short, we do need to give businesses a good reason (A financial reason unfortunately) to convince them to reduce their impact, otherwise they won't, simple as that. Only way to really get businesses to do what is good for everyone else is to eat away at their bottom line in some way.
In a perfect world you should just be able to tell them "Hey, you're polluting the world, you should spend a little to help clean up after yourself..." but you can't, instead we have to go with the "Hey, you're polluting so we're going to tax you more, but if you take actions to reduce your impact we'll reduce the amount you'll be taxed by a greater amount than what you spent"
I've been commenting on the global warming nonsense for going on ten years now. Apart from pprune i've been on political forums, science forums, weather forums, environment forums, and sundry other forums.
One thing I noted a few years back that whenever the fact were mentioned that the sun has been more active in the last 25 odd years then it had been for the last several hundred years, it were made out to be irrelevant by the global warming nutters. Now the suns gone quiet and things are cooling down, suddenly, "experts suggest".....
"...give business a good reason"
errr... Ixixly, yer do understand that in Australia most business normally only survives because there are customers. Of course if yer in governmint service or one of them perpetual student protester/dole bludger types that fact would probably escape you..
If Australian citizens are buying products from any particular business then those citizens (voters) have made their "what is good for everyone" voter minds up..
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All the scare mongering that's been going on by the likes of Al Gore et al is now being proven to be a compete crock. All the predictions of doom & gloom, the temperature rising, the sea levels rising, never getting any good rains again, etc etc. So much of the 'science' around all this is now proving to be flawed. So much of the computer modelling that predicted all this is now being proven to be incorrect when the actual data is turning out to be completely different (ie nowhere near as bad) to what was predicted.
So thanks. Now piss off and let's fix this thing.
via mcgrath50:
"All the scare mongering that's been going on by the likes of Al Gore et al is now being proven to be a compete crock. All the predictions of doom & gloom, the temperature rising, the sea levels rising, never getting any good rains again, etc etc. So much of the 'science' around all this is now proving to be flawed. So much of the computer modelling that predicted all this is now being proven to be incorrect when the actual data is turning out to be completely different (ie nowhere near as bad) to what was predicted."
Show me a consensus of scientists who believe this! Binghi your loony conspiracy is only supported and advanced by fringe scientist. You and your ilk are going to cost this planet and screw the future generations.
So thanks. Now piss off and let's fix this thing.
"All the scare mongering that's been going on by the likes of Al Gore et al is now being proven to be a compete crock. All the predictions of doom & gloom, the temperature rising, the sea levels rising, never getting any good rains again, etc etc. So much of the 'science' around all this is now proving to be flawed. So much of the computer modelling that predicted all this is now being proven to be incorrect when the actual data is turning out to be completely different (ie nowhere near as bad) to what was predicted."
Show me a consensus of scientists who believe this! Binghi your loony conspiracy is only supported and advanced by fringe scientist. You and your ilk are going to cost this planet and screw the future generations.
So thanks. Now piss off and let's fix this thing.
You seem a bit confused mcgrath50. Putting up a quote covering many subjects from poster IFEZ and then asking if a consensus of scientists believe it is a bit silly.
As to the "looney conspiracy", I'm yet to see a reference..
...anyway, One Nation wants some enquirys made into this global warming nonsense so it will be fixed..
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Binghi, it's not difficult to understand mate. The science and models are turning out correct if not worse. The whole point of climate change is that some areas will get drier, some will get wetter. But overall the planet will warm (hence why global warming became a popular term). Most worryingly is there will be an increase in extreme weather events, droughts, storms, hurricanes etc. The computer models are NOT being proven wrong. In fact they are being proven to have been too optimistic.
One of the few policies of One Nation I welcome is the inquiry into climate science. It will be a quick and simple, open and shut inquiry. It WILL come back that climate change is real and we should have started acting at least 10 years ago. And I look forward to all you idiotic boomers admitting you were wrong and letting go of your ridiculous conspiracy theories. Just like you all did with wind turbines... oh wait.
One of the few policies of One Nation I welcome is the inquiry into climate science. It will be a quick and simple, open and shut inquiry. It WILL come back that climate change is real and we should have started acting at least 10 years ago. And I look forward to all you idiotic boomers admitting you were wrong and letting go of your ridiculous conspiracy theories. Just like you all did with wind turbines... oh wait.
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Wow, and Horatio reckons Flying Binghi and I were apoplectic..!!
Don't worry FB, it appears that mcgrath50 assumes that we're too old to understand all this new fangled climate bizzo. It wouldn't dawn on him that maybe we've researched and considered BOTH sides of the argument and formed an opinion based on that. As I said before, I wish our political leaders could find the time to do the same. I'm afraid its too late for mcgrath50 though. The brainwashing has been exceedingly successful.
Don't worry FB, it appears that mcgrath50 assumes that we're too old to understand all this new fangled climate bizzo. It wouldn't dawn on him that maybe we've researched and considered BOTH sides of the argument and formed an opinion based on that. As I said before, I wish our political leaders could find the time to do the same. I'm afraid its too late for mcgrath50 though. The brainwashing has been exceedingly successful.
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None of you get it...
We are talking negative campaigning here. We care not about global warming, gay whales, a balanced budget, etc.
What we simply say is that unless you agree to support aviation reform, then we will do everything legal to ensure you aren't re- elected. We do not have to argue a balanced policy about how GA is good for Australia, we are not running for election. Here are our demands, if you do not support them then we will run a negative campaign to unseat you, maybe we just pay for negative ads, we don't have to be politically savvy, we aren't up for election, you are.
It matters not if your opponent Is a green tree hugger, YOU won't be in parliament. WE will make the same offer to the tree hugger at next election.
At time of writing one seat is down to a seven vote lead. Pity we didn't do something.
We are talking negative campaigning here. We care not about global warming, gay whales, a balanced budget, etc.
What we simply say is that unless you agree to support aviation reform, then we will do everything legal to ensure you aren't re- elected. We do not have to argue a balanced policy about how GA is good for Australia, we are not running for election. Here are our demands, if you do not support them then we will run a negative campaign to unseat you, maybe we just pay for negative ads, we don't have to be politically savvy, we aren't up for election, you are.
It matters not if your opponent Is a green tree hugger, YOU won't be in parliament. WE will make the same offer to the tree hugger at next election.
At time of writing one seat is down to a seven vote lead. Pity we didn't do something.
So basically Sunfish you are advocating political blackmail and thuggery to achieve an objective? Isn't this what Get-Up did in Tasmania to unseat Liberal MPs that they considered had a right-wing agenda? Get-Up did this by using a lot of money and "volunteers". Are you going to fund such a campaign? Good to see where you sit on the ethics spectrum Sunfish. Tell us again how successful you were as a businessman and consultant to Government.