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They have a double edged sword then don't they. It is them who has the most to lose.
Trust me when I say that. Bad behaviour will not be tolerated by CASA or anyone else for that matter. The public fallout with the DAS, the minister and many others would or will be so horrific if they step over the lines of decency that I can't begin to fathom the results. And yes if you are proven right, I expect no I told you so's I expect rolling up the sleeves and getting the job done.
GA in Australia is so fragile that over-zealous stupidity by the regulator could as you suggest kill off such events. This is my last one, so what happens next is not up to me, but I have the humble position of having considerable quantity and quality of media friends. Let alone the prune network, so to have things unravel that far in front of an audience of not just thousands but the DAS and the minister could be career limiting for those involved.
Like I said, I know now 2 quite well, and just yesterday met a third of the 4 person team. They are all good pro GA folk, and with another secret weapon against any regulatory stupidity in my back pocket
I really do doubt there will be trouble.
The next thing to consider is this, historically we have had good numbers with damned near 100% compliance and it had been noted the good job attendees had done. Perhaps an audience of a different calibre? Less cowboys.
Besides we do not want cowboys at such a big event. We don't need them or the supposed numbers they represent. This is about quality not quantity, and if they are a complete lunatic cowboy, I bet they were not coming anyway.
Fly in, do the right thing, everyone is happy
Trust me when I say that. Bad behaviour will not be tolerated by CASA or anyone else for that matter. The public fallout with the DAS, the minister and many others would or will be so horrific if they step over the lines of decency that I can't begin to fathom the results. And yes if you are proven right, I expect no I told you so's I expect rolling up the sleeves and getting the job done.
GA in Australia is so fragile that over-zealous stupidity by the regulator could as you suggest kill off such events. This is my last one, so what happens next is not up to me, but I have the humble position of having considerable quantity and quality of media friends. Let alone the prune network, so to have things unravel that far in front of an audience of not just thousands but the DAS and the minister could be career limiting for those involved.
Like I said, I know now 2 quite well, and just yesterday met a third of the 4 person team. They are all good pro GA folk, and with another secret weapon against any regulatory stupidity in my back pocket
I really do doubt there will be trouble.The next thing to consider is this, historically we have had good numbers with damned near 100% compliance and it had been noted the good job attendees had done. Perhaps an audience of a different calibre? Less cowboys.
Besides we do not want cowboys at such a big event. We don't need them or the supposed numbers they represent. This is about quality not quantity, and if they are a complete lunatic cowboy, I bet they were not coming anyway.
Fly in, do the right thing, everyone is happy
Bad behaviour will not be tolerated by CASA or anyone else for that matter.
(True story)
Jabawocky:
[QUOTE]Fly in, do the right thing, everyone is happy/QUOTE]
Therein lies the problem Jaba, "the right thing" seems to change with the interpretation of each CASA regional office and the direction the wind is blowing.
That is why there are so many threads on Pprune regarding the regulations. "The right thing" is an elusive concept as far as CASA is concerned and simple folk such as me are dumbfounded with the ease that one can become an inadvertent felon.
To put it another way, why are we discussing the application of CAR 232 on another thread? Either it applies or it does not. The fact that there may be a "gentlemens agreement" that CAR 232 doesn't apply is about as useful as a "gentlemen's agreement" that a road speed limit doesn't apply. Its worthless.
There is no ******* way I'm registering or flying without bulletproof knowledge that everything do is 100% legal and CASA seems hell bent on proving that this is impossible - hence the "pilots are uncaught criminals" quote.
[QUOTE]Fly in, do the right thing, everyone is happy/QUOTE]
Therein lies the problem Jaba, "the right thing" seems to change with the interpretation of each CASA regional office and the direction the wind is blowing.
That is why there are so many threads on Pprune regarding the regulations. "The right thing" is an elusive concept as far as CASA is concerned and simple folk such as me are dumbfounded with the ease that one can become an inadvertent felon.
To put it another way, why are we discussing the application of CAR 232 on another thread? Either it applies or it does not. The fact that there may be a "gentlemens agreement" that CAR 232 doesn't apply is about as useful as a "gentlemen's agreement" that a road speed limit doesn't apply. Its worthless.
There is no ******* way I'm registering or flying without bulletproof knowledge that everything do is 100% legal and CASA seems hell bent on proving that this is impossible - hence the "pilots are uncaught criminals" quote.
Sunfish, see my post on the CAR232 thread. Your checklist doesn't need CASA approval. Just point it out and all is well. Still gotta have..your licence..medical..plan..fuel log..pretty coloured maps..arfor..
On a brighter note...
So ultralights, did you find a J230 or are you sticking with the Hilux?
My plane doesn't like cold starts so I might not be rushing off on Sunday morn! I've packed an electric blanket, just need a kind hearted caravaner to plug into :-)
My plane doesn't like cold starts so I might not be rushing off on Sunday morn! I've packed an electric blanket, just need a kind hearted caravaner to plug into :-)
The long range forecast is disappointing.
My experience is that BOM's long range forecasts usually change from "severe CAVOK" to "Armageddon", or vice versa, in the course of 5 days ...
But I hope BOM's forecast is accurate on this occasion!
My experience is that BOM's long range forecasts usually change from "severe CAVOK" to "Armageddon", or vice versa, in the course of 5 days ...
But I hope BOM's forecast is accurate on this occasion!
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Yeah the wx will be fine.
CAR xxxwill be fine as it does not apply here…..had it confirmed today despite the BS..
Come have some fun…..safe fun but fun all the same.
Hey UL….remember wear your T Shirt (free beer involved)
Or the Mrs will score it all.
CAR xxxwill be fine as it does not apply here…..had it confirmed today despite the BS..
Come have some fun…..safe fun but fun all the same.
Hey UL….remember wear your T Shirt (free beer involved)
Or the Mrs will score it all.
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it must be really galling to put in all that effort,
organise use of the airfield and facilities,
organise all the catering,
organise all the events,
tone down all the hot heads so it all just runs smoothly
then have the clueless jobsworths from the endless regulation writing factory promise to turn up and ramp check everyone and ruin it all.
bwahahahahahahahah
organise use of the airfield and facilities,
organise all the catering,
organise all the events,
tone down all the hot heads so it all just runs smoothly
then have the clueless jobsworths from the endless regulation writing factory promise to turn up and ramp check everyone and ruin it all.
bwahahahahahahahah
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then have the clueless jobsworths from the endless regulation writing factory promise to turn up and ramp check everyone and ruin it all.
Comments such as these are actually more destructive than the regulator.
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I'm just trying to find on the www where it has information about camping with your aircraft. All the site says is that a fee will be charged, but not how much? Or how much space should be available to setup camp, or more importantly actions to be taken in the event I have to park the RV next to a dirty old Cessna, Bo or plastic parrot!
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I think the fee is to the caravan park owner for toilets and showers
Airfield looks great, all green and loverly around the place, few aircraft arriving already
Saw the Wright Flyer get moved out today, had to make room for the dinner.
Great to see plenty of activity aroind the place
Bit windy but weekend looks good
Airfield looks great, all green and loverly around the place, few aircraft arriving already
Saw the Wright Flyer get moved out today, had to make room for the dinner.
Great to see plenty of activity aroind the place
Bit windy but weekend looks good
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$15 per adult, kids free
If you fly in, the PIC who is a member is free, pax pay.
Camping is the Narromine Touriost Park $10/night
Hope that helps
Pricing from Mangalore 1988
If you fly in, the PIC who is a member is free, pax pay.
Camping is the Narromine Touriost Park $10/night
Hope that helps
Pricing from Mangalore 1988
Folks,
Best wishes for the weekend, I hope it all goes well.
Enough noise has been made about CAR 232 that a few CASA types will have had to pull their heads in. They were, it would seem, smart enough to understand that a headbutting competition with their boss was unlikely to be career enhancing - a touchy subject in CASA right now.
We desperately need a national annual get together, and Narromine is, in my opinion, the best place for it. Distance wise, the best compromise for Victorians and Queenslanders, and far enough west to be out of NSW coastal weather.
Sadly, I can't make this one, maybe I will make it next year.
Tootle pip!!
Best wishes for the weekend, I hope it all goes well.
Enough noise has been made about CAR 232 that a few CASA types will have had to pull their heads in. They were, it would seem, smart enough to understand that a headbutting competition with their boss was unlikely to be career enhancing - a touchy subject in CASA right now.
We desperately need a national annual get together, and Narromine is, in my opinion, the best place for it. Distance wise, the best compromise for Victorians and Queenslanders, and far enough west to be out of NSW coastal weather.
Sadly, I can't make this one, maybe I will make it next year.
Tootle pip!!
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it would be nice if everyone who encountered a CAsA bod asked of them the innocent question "when is john quadrio getting his pilots licence back?"
I mean it is a polite innocent question ...and we'd all like to know.
Jaba do ask them about canadian owner maintenance and when it will become a part of australian aviation.
I checked my logbooks today and I have been a canadian owner maintainer now for exactly to the month 16 years.
you'd think they'd make it legal.
I'm one of the few guys in my club who hasn't pranged an aircraft and is never likely to.
fcuks up the statistics and predictions of doom I know.
enjoy the flyin mate.
(when I was part of the organisation casa never attended and there was never an incident)
I mean it is a polite innocent question ...and we'd all like to know.
Jaba do ask them about canadian owner maintenance and when it will become a part of australian aviation.
I checked my logbooks today and I have been a canadian owner maintainer now for exactly to the month 16 years.
you'd think they'd make it legal.
I'm one of the few guys in my club who hasn't pranged an aircraft and is never likely to.
fcuks up the statistics and predictions of doom I know.
enjoy the flyin mate.
(when I was part of the organisation casa never attended and there was never an incident)
W8,
As a matter of interest, the Canadian owner maintenance system is not new, it has been around since early 1990s.
In end 1996 it was put up for discussion, and was shouted down by "the industry", not limited to existing maintenance orgs., but also alphabet soup groups, NOT including AOPA, which, at the time, strongly supported the idea.
Needless to say, the ALAEA, both within and without CASA were vehemently opposed, as were CASA airworthiness as a group, along with vocal groups within the FOIs. All in the interests of safety, you know.
I well recall the comments of one then well known member of the ALAEA, at a meeting in Canberra: " I had to do a five year apprenticeship to change sparkplugs!!!. My reply was:" XXXX, in your case, I can understand that." He was not even a little bit amused.
With such broad (but entirely self serving, inward looking and change resistent) opposition, Leroy Keith, the then CASA CEO/DAS didn't pursue the matter, and AOPA could not carry it alone.
Not all the problems of Australian aviation are CASA's fault, there is plenty of blame to go around.
Tootle pip!!
As a matter of interest, the Canadian owner maintenance system is not new, it has been around since early 1990s.
In end 1996 it was put up for discussion, and was shouted down by "the industry", not limited to existing maintenance orgs., but also alphabet soup groups, NOT including AOPA, which, at the time, strongly supported the idea.
Needless to say, the ALAEA, both within and without CASA were vehemently opposed, as were CASA airworthiness as a group, along with vocal groups within the FOIs. All in the interests of safety, you know.
I well recall the comments of one then well known member of the ALAEA, at a meeting in Canberra: " I had to do a five year apprenticeship to change sparkplugs!!!. My reply was:" XXXX, in your case, I can understand that." He was not even a little bit amused.
With such broad (but entirely self serving, inward looking and change resistent) opposition, Leroy Keith, the then CASA CEO/DAS didn't pursue the matter, and AOPA could not carry it alone.
Not all the problems of Australian aviation are CASA's fault, there is plenty of blame to go around.
Tootle pip!!