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Old 6th Jan 2015, 10:45
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Check out this piece of brilliance!!!!!!

One of my favorite comments is "don't forget the park brake" alluding to the 777 sim takeoff - with it on.
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 11:29
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More utter tripe from GT.

He doesn't travel Air Asia, because he travels Qantas - probably in return for sickenly pro-Qantas articles such as this.

When you pay for your Qantas ticket, you are paying for some of the best-paid pilots
And yet, the guy takes every opportunity to blame overpaid technical staff at Qantas (like engineers) for the down fall of the airline (ie his fictional $300m claims back in 2011).

Which is it, GT?

Do you want the best paid, safest staff to be responsible for your life (as this latest article suggests)?

Or do you want to continue selling the management line that overpaid Qantas staff are responsible for the airline's financial demise?

It seems you want high paid Australian Qantas staff driving your aircraft, but you want it maintained overseas by foreigners on a budget.
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 12:26
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Twats

The similarities between GT and FGD are uncanny!
Both like to write utter bullshit. Both are conceited. Both display a lack of real aviation knowledge. Both express themselves by using long drawn out analogies and assumptions about........nothing!

FGD if you aren't GT then you should move to Perth and marry him because you are both a perfect match
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 13:48
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Which is it, GT?
Both, Slippery_Pete, and that should not only be obvious, but really easy to understand.

When speaking from the point of view of a Qantas passenger, he would say that he likes the idea of his pilots being the best paid in the world. Who wouldn't?

When reporting on the ails of Qantas, he will say it is because their costs are way higher than their competitors - which is exactly the situation, so he is telling it exactly like it is.

You seem to think that he can't say both of these things - but that is the logic of a child. Of course he can say both!

You seem to think that because he is of the view that Qantas must cut its costs, he personally *wants* the aircraft to be maintained overseas.

If you could ask him where he would prefer the aircraft to be maintained, from the Qantas passenger's point of view, he would say Australia. And who wouldn't?


However the news is a little different.
allthecoolnamesarego, that is probably true on the planet where you live, but on this planet, where we have GT, the news has to be entertaining. You are just not grasping this reality. The aviation expert, whoever he is, just cannot give the "we don't know ... we will have to wait for the final report" answers. If he does, he will not be invited back and will cease to be labelled an "expert". This is true not just of commercial TV but ABC and SBS as well!

You know there doesn't have to be a difference between someone who "sounds like they know what they are talking about" and someone "who knows what they are talking about".
Sure, but where is that person of the latter category? Why aren't we seeing him on the telly instead of GT? He has had years now to come forward and supplant GT. I wonder where he is?

... of course he would know that 'absolutely' was the wrong word to use.
How do you know that the SAR expert he was speaking to, just prior to going on air, didn't use the word "absolutely"? You think he should only use "absolutely" if he personally was in the ocean, inspecting the debris? That is ridiculous.

As someone with a SAR background, I can categorically tell you that anything that *might* be of interest will be investigated.
Well you are categorically speaking rubbish then - because there can be an enormous, enormous cost involved. A cost so enormous that it is just not practical to retrieve 100% of the satellite-observed debris so as to investigate it all. I will cut you some slack on this statement as you did admit to having a few reds!

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Old 6th Jan 2015, 20:29
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on this planet, where we have GT, the news has to be entertaining
On my planet, I'd like the news to be factual and well-informed.

The aviation expert, whoever he is, just cannot give the "we don't know ... we will have to wait for the final report" answers. If he does, he will not be invited back and will cease to be labelled an "expert".
You seem to be saying (repeatedly) that you/Geoffrey need to spout ill-informed speculative nonsense in return for recognition and monetary reward, and that this is quite ok. Maybe it is, but let's not dignify it with the term "expert".
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 21:55
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Narcissists thrive on publicity. Good or bad, it's all publicity and this thread is giving the afflicted more oxygen than they deserve.


Never argue with fools, you may educate them. An educated fool with an opinion is more dangerous than one that is easily seen as just a fool. To think some media mob would pay for these opinions says more about that media outlet than the fool.
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 22:03
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http://www.presscouncil.org.au/complaint-form/

Here is the link to make an online complaint at the press council.

Multiple complaints have more gravitas than one offs.


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Old 6th Jan 2015, 23:26
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Here is the link to make an online complaint at the press council.
Imagine complaining to them about a view expressed by Oprah Winfrey. If your complaint is about something GT said on a TV show (including the nightly news), then that is how they will regard your complaint.


But if about something he said in a newspaper, then they will look more closely. In this case, the first thing they will consider is whether the article is "news" or opinion.


I believe GT contributes opinion (aka "commentary") only, so this licences him to say whatever he likes and speculate as much as he likes.


I believe that any complaint to the Press Council would be a complete waste of time.


Why aren't you targeting the producers of the TV shows he appears on? GT is just the messenger. It is the producers that like his message and insist on bringing it to us.
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 01:21
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On the issue of the nightly TV news shows being more oriented towards "entertainment", I found the following article, about TV news in the USA but still highly relevant here:

Whatever Happened to the News? | Center for Media Literacy


Some quotes from it:

News has always mixed the serious and the entertaining. The tension between journalism and commercialism goes back long before television, but it is felt with special intensity in television news today.


In the 1970s and '80s, however, the barrier between news and entertainment has been increasingly eroded.


It was the local stations that first discovered, late in the 1960s, that news could make money– lots of money. By the end of the '70s, news was frequently producing 60 percent of a station's profits. With numbers like that, news was much "too important" to leave to journalists, and a heavily entertainment-oriented form of programming began to evolve.


And this, about shows like "Today Tonight" and "A Current Affair", where we often see GT:

They are not news shows that borrow conventions from entertainment television, but the other way around: entertainment programs that borrow the aura of news. The forms and the "look" are news– the opening sequences frequently feature typewriter keys and newsroom-like sets with monitors in the background. The content, however, has little of the substance of journalism;


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Old 7th Jan 2015, 01:45
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Here is the link to make an online complaint at the press council.
Imagine complaining to them about a view expressed by Oprah Winfrey. If your complaint is about something GT said on a TV show (including the nightly news), then that is how they will regard your complaint.


But if about something he said in a newspaper, then they will look more closely. In this case, the first thing they will consider is whether the article is "news" or opinion.


I believe GT contributes opinion (aka "commentary") only, so this licences him to say whatever he likes and speculate as much as he likes.
But not if opinion is presented as fact or when facts are innacurate.
Here are the relevant principles from press council:
Principle 6)
(E.g. failure to take reasonable steps to ensure accuracy in texts, quotes, headlines, captions and images; misrepresentation or suppression of facts; failure to correct an inaccuracy; opinion based on false factual claims)
Lack of balance (General Principles 1, 2 and 3 and Privacy Principle 6)
(E.g. lack of balance in an article; lack of balance in a series of articles or in a particular publication over time; failure to publish a letter to the editor or other response)
Failure to distinguish between fact and opinion (Part of General Principles 4, 6)
(E.g. presenting opinion as fact, or blurring the line between fact and opinion)
Unfair or dishonest presentation (General Principle 1; part of General Principle 6)
(E.g. failure to identify reports as rumours or unconfirmed; unfair headlines, captions and images; failure to declare conflict of interest, including commercial interest; advertorial not identified)
Unfair or dishonest investigation (General Principle 5; Privacy Principles 5, 7)
(E.g. unfair or dishonest methods of newsgathering (such as deception); breach of confidence; identifying anonymous sources; exploitation of a victim or bereaved person)
The news brodaster has a duty to flag its content as opinion, speculation or fact. Reporting should be balanced. Viewers should be made aware of a contributor's vested interest. Broadcasters have to take take reasonable steps to ensure accuracy and fairness.

You can complain about a point of view if it in context of the broadcast, challenges the above guidelines. The complaint isnt toward the contributor it is to those who publish or broadcast.

Oprah can state a personal view on whatever she likes as she is not presented as being a specialist.

From the press council;
WHAT CAN BE COMPLAINED ABOUT?

Types of material

Complaints may relate to news reports, articles, editorials, letters, cartoons, images and other published material.

Why aren't you targeting the producers of the TV shows he appears on? GT is the messenger. It is the producers that like his message and insist on bringing it to us
A complaint to press complaints detailing the publisher or broadcaster does just that.

By the way, Australia has uniform libel and slander laws, under the umbrella of defamation.
If one is directly defamed by a contributor then action can be taken by that person or entity. So if a commentator's view, regardless if they are expert or not, is that an individual or group were wreckless or incompetent then such comment can be challenged in court.
This is rare as retractions usually are suffice in correcting non maliscous defamation.


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Old 7th Jan 2015, 02:38
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The Australian Press Council is not interested in what happens on TV. See this page:


What we do - Australian Press Council


A quote from it:


The Council is the principal body with responsibility for responding to complaints about Australian newspapers, magazines and associated digital outlets.
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 04:40
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He has spouted similar incorrect facts on both printed and visual media. Perhaps put him in the starters box with Media Watch to see if he gets a run?
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 05:22
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The Australian Press Council is not interested in what happens on TV. See this page:
FDG135 it is precisely what I quoted in my post!
The council generally only looks into companies from its members (which does not include ABC) but it may be worth a try as most ABC TV news programs are online.


Whilst we are on the subject, complaints can be made about a Journalist's ethics to the local guild or union if he or she is a member.
In Australia the journo union is the MEAA.

Here is their code of ethics. http://www.alliance.org.au/code-of-e...ow-to-complain



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Old 7th Jan 2015, 05:28
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What about writing to media watch?
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 05:43
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"There is no doubt that Qantas is a standout in safety enhancements and an industry benchmark for best practice," Mr Thomas said.
Back to another query I made earlier - in one of the offending articles it's claimed that Qantas were solely responsible for getting Rockwell-Collins to develop the multi-scan radar. It's an unattributed line, but it sounds a lot like a GT usual "Qantas is wonderful" line.

Is this correct?
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 09:09
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You mean there are still people left who watch/read/listen to commercial media and expect facts to be reported and opinions to be expressed by real experts in the field of the matter being reported?

I hope the trauma counsellors are on hand when they find out about Santa Claus.
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 10:53
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For complaints about television media, you contact ACMA

ACMA: Home
Home | ACMA


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Old 7th Jan 2015, 10:56
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Wow, it just blows my mind how such a small minded bunch of pseudo elite whingers can get their panties twisted into such a knot!


I myself find it hard to get to sleep some nights... lying awake thinking about the misunderstandings that the media, the public, the government, management, journalists, hot girls down the pub and even bogans who subscribe to The Australian perceive our ancient and precious profession.


Who cares?


You are all just jealous that 'GT' has made a buck doing what he does.. good on him.


He's not there to provide specific, expert commentary on the exact technical nature of every aspect of our complicated jobs that only we, as professional aviators with years and years of training, study, experience, ego and knowledge will ever understand.


Only a Surgeon at their highest level of expertise and qualifications would ever understand the woes that airline pilots endure at having their profession degraded to such an extent by such amateur journalists...


Toughen up princesses, you all sound like a bunch of stuck up whining schoolgirls.. "contact media watch or the press council...??"

Please...

I hope that I don't ever have the misfortune of flying with some of you pansies, "Oh Oh there's a bit of cloud up ahead request 50 miles right of route before I wet my knickers, and by the way lets get onto the press council about that monster GT.." you all need a bit of harden the you know what up.

Poor Chopper would be turning in his grave.

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Old 7th Jan 2015, 16:38
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Touché.

As someone who has sat on both sides of the fence, the level of ignorance displayed on these boards about how the media works is astounding.

Indeed, I would go so far as to say the majority of people posting here understand the media industry even less than the mainstream media understands aviation.

The biggest difference is the fact that the only people reading this are a bunch of bored pilots and plane-spotters, whereas someone like GT probably has a readership of tens, if not hundreds of thousands each time he writes an article.

The general public doesn't even know PPRuNe exists.

Yet you all rely on the media for your source of local and world events each day, don't you? Or do you all have crystal balls?

Because many of you don't have real balls, that's for sure.

I don't do media stuff now, because I have no need to and because the media is a whore who will use your time, expertise and effort for it's own reward. I have seen enough to know that my time could be better spent doing things I enjoy.
If none of you are prepared to put your money where your collective mouths are - to step up and nurture contacts with journos so you can be Johnny-on-the-spot when the need arises (and most importantly, put your real name and credentials on the record) - then you're all just pissing in the wind.

Because no-one important is reading this.

So if you think you can do a better job, then do it. But don't complain about it if all you're going to do is sling arrows from the eaves and belittle others for their difference of opinion.

And the first person who accuses me of being GT is a bloody idiot. Journalism 101: do your research - baseless accusations will get you sued for defamation in the real world. Which - I dare say - is why some of you would never make it in journalism.

Professional Pilots Rumour Network indeed! Where the fark is the apostrophe?
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 18:37
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Hey "Allthecool..etc" you said this.. "P51D, why don't you just stay logged in as FGD? It would save time when posting". Totally wrong mate, c'mon, put up or shut up, you love beating up GT as to his media prowess or otherwise and bragging about how good you are, or have been - Prove it!!! You also appear to like belittling posters such as FGD (I have no idea who he/she is) and me, but getting personal says more about you than FGD or me. Irrespective of all that, this site continues to have posters who delight in tearing down well known people, particularly those who have a profile, and think they are more expert but stay behind the veil of a nickname. Anyway, a mate who knows GT tells me that GT is running out of space in his pool room for all the awards he's picked up for his aviation journalism.
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