Jetgo Blacklist
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From: The wrong time zone...
I have worked with kids and have kids and feel I'm pretty good at spotting porky pies a mile off. Jetgo's damage control "story" is bigger bollocks than dangled from my great grandfather's prize-winning bull.
(They were pretty big...)
(They were pretty big...)
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From: Sydney
JETGO would like to say that the UNSIGNED email sent to "Why Panic" WAS sent by an unauthorized person from an open computer within the organisation.
Good on you for responding, I feel your response does not pass what I consider a reasonable logic test.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck....................
What would pass is: Employee "A" acted like an immature jack ass and was sacked due to the potential damage he/she has done to the image of our company and the associated potential liability.
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From: Global
Neiili seconded you're a !!!! stirer of the highest order. Mr Leafeblower thanks for weaving some sense into it. The whole discussion is a massive wank. What a waste of time and effort. Really...get a life.
Last edited by wotajoke; 20th July 2014 at 18:23. Reason: Typo...spelling police are out in force.
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From: Styx Houseboat Park.
With 5c left on the clock....
There is an old, old, dusty story – from back in the day; an Australian crew was in the Heathrow 'facilities' taking their ease before getting on the bus. The BA crew followed them in and, the place being crowded, waited their turn. As the Oz crew left, in a teddibly pucker voice, the BA skipper exclaimed - "Oh, don't they teach you to wash your hands?' – "Nah" says the Oz FE: "we, were taught not to piss on 'em".
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From: Aimlessly wandering
Stinkfinger puts forward a reasonable scenario. Some HR clown f$cked up and needs their botty spanked. End of story, and probably end of thread.
Unfortunately while the ones that deliver the actual service, ie. the crew, are accountable for every action, thought, breath, and potential implication, back office HR types seem to get away with murder. But of course, they are the ones that discipline others, why would they discipline themselves?
wotajoke, what, if anything, is bleaving? Also, there are myriad other websites that would cater to your taste for a massive wank, or the stirring of sh!t.
Unfortunately while the ones that deliver the actual service, ie. the crew, are accountable for every action, thought, breath, and potential implication, back office HR types seem to get away with murder. But of course, they are the ones that discipline others, why would they discipline themselves?
wotajoke, what, if anything, is bleaving? Also, there are myriad other websites that would cater to your taste for a massive wank, or the stirring of sh!t.
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From: nosar
Some old geeza applies for a job, there are 100+ applicants for a handful of positions. He doesn't get the job. He asks why and is told he is too old. He threatens "discrimination legislation" and receives a politically incorrect letter.
5 pages of drivel follow.
5 pages of drivel follow.
Thread Starter
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From: Australia
Reply to Aussie Bob
Dear Aussie Bob,
Firstly, I don't appreciate being called "Some old geeza", pretty rude I thought. 61 hardly puts you in a retirement home. Maybe you'd like to meet up some time and see how old and feeble I am, please PM me if you're interested.
I didn't ask the reason why I didn't get the job, that was provided completely free of charge. Please read the threads a little more carefully before posting your valuable opinion.
Do you really think being threatened with Blacklisting (what this thread is about) is just politically incorrect ?
As for 5 pages of drivel, what is any on line forum for, but to share views on a particular topic. This thread has explored and highlighted some very important issues and alerted an employer to serious problems within his HR department.
If you are so bored with this thread as to call it 5 pages of drivel, please find another one where you can share your wisdom.
Firstly, I don't appreciate being called "Some old geeza", pretty rude I thought. 61 hardly puts you in a retirement home. Maybe you'd like to meet up some time and see how old and feeble I am, please PM me if you're interested.
I didn't ask the reason why I didn't get the job, that was provided completely free of charge. Please read the threads a little more carefully before posting your valuable opinion.
Do you really think being threatened with Blacklisting (what this thread is about) is just politically incorrect ?
As for 5 pages of drivel, what is any on line forum for, but to share views on a particular topic. This thread has explored and highlighted some very important issues and alerted an employer to serious problems within his HR department.
If you are so bored with this thread as to call it 5 pages of drivel, please find another one where you can share your wisdom.
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From: melb
"WP" you can rest assure that most on here support yr thoughts on this matter & fortunately there are not too many narrow minded 'Aussie Bob's around.
The very fact that there is 5 pages is a sign that this behavior is not acceptable, well to most anyway.
Stick to yr guns 'WP' as you only need to be true to one person, YOU
Wmk2
The very fact that there is 5 pages is a sign that this behavior is not acceptable, well to most anyway.
Stick to yr guns 'WP' as you only need to be true to one person, YOU
Wmk2
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From: Worldwide
I didn't ask the reason why I didn't get the job, that was provided completely free of charge. Please read the threads a little more carefully before posting your valuable opinion.
Do you really think being threatened with Blacklisting (what this thread is about) is just politically incorrect ?
Do you really think being threatened with Blacklisting (what this thread is about) is just politically incorrect ?
We saw the bad reply from the company, but we did not see a copy of the mail you sent them, that might have prompted they reply.
I'm sure that your mails were all nice, but maybe someone might have some doubts.
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From: Lisbon
JetGo are man enough to apologise
I give JetGo full marks. A mistake was made and they publicly apologised to 'old mate'. They didn't have to apologise. They could have tried to bury it further. And i have no doubt they could have also released some of 'old mates' email correspondence that he has perhaps not shared with us? Who knows. At the end of the day they have apologised, tried to right a wrong, not many people will do that these days.
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From: Australia
Fly dive, by meeting up with Why Panic you may, perhaps, see that he is fit and spritely. There is no suggestion that he he violent, only your interpretation - classic creation of a Straw Man argument on your part.
As for Jetgo :
- inappropriate to send email with age listed as rejection criteria.
- inappropriate to make a threat of blacklisting.
-inappropriate to make a public apology on a public Internet forum which actually revealed a reluctance to fully own the problem. Instead, we were treated to a "it's not my fault, man" defence in which it was inferred that any criticism of Jetgo was unreasonable.
Cactus, for Jetgo to release some of "old mates" emails would also be inappropriate. That would not be the action of a worthy organisation. A sincere apology is a start, but words are cheap and fail to address a tangible wrong.
It's very difficult to see how Jetgo can reasonably make this up to Why Panic, who has been treated very badly.
Some suggestions as to how Jetgo could make amends are :
1) commit to tighten their IT use to include a mandatory employee sign-in on company computers.
2) removal of the author of the emails that were sent to Why Panic.
3) training to reinforce anti-discrimination legislation and its implications to their staff. Ensure that the cultural shift is real and enduring.
That would be a start. Other than a real offer of employment to Why Panic where Jetgo pay for his type-rating, I can't see how Jetgo could ever make reasonable amends for what has transpired.
As for Jetgo :
- inappropriate to send email with age listed as rejection criteria.
- inappropriate to make a threat of blacklisting.
-inappropriate to make a public apology on a public Internet forum which actually revealed a reluctance to fully own the problem. Instead, we were treated to a "it's not my fault, man" defence in which it was inferred that any criticism of Jetgo was unreasonable.
Cactus, for Jetgo to release some of "old mates" emails would also be inappropriate. That would not be the action of a worthy organisation. A sincere apology is a start, but words are cheap and fail to address a tangible wrong.
It's very difficult to see how Jetgo can reasonably make this up to Why Panic, who has been treated very badly.
Some suggestions as to how Jetgo could make amends are :
1) commit to tighten their IT use to include a mandatory employee sign-in on company computers.
2) removal of the author of the emails that were sent to Why Panic.
3) training to reinforce anti-discrimination legislation and its implications to their staff. Ensure that the cultural shift is real and enduring.
That would be a start. Other than a real offer of employment to Why Panic where Jetgo pay for his type-rating, I can't see how Jetgo could ever make reasonable amends for what has transpired.
Last edited by Anthill; 21st July 2014 at 17:23.
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From: Australia
One would think the OP has had his first born kidnapped and held to ransom reading some of these replies. Get over it. He has declined an offer to revisit his application and the company has apologized. Move on! Oh the golden age of entitlement.....
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From: Someday I will find a place to stop
As you get older and gain wisdom from life, you gain more respect for yourself and tolerate a little less idiots that you come across, and your spine becomes a bit more hardened for you to stand up for yourself against such types. 'Why Panic' is a good demonstration of this.
I do wonder, and so should others, if the HR person concerned is responsible for pilot applications being filed in the circular bin that might have otherwise been inline for a job? Certainly my own experience of calling up when I was in Brisbane asking to come and say hello in person and being told "don't call us we'll call you" makes me think so.
I do wonder, and so should others, if the HR person concerned is responsible for pilot applications being filed in the circular bin that might have otherwise been inline for a job? Certainly my own experience of calling up when I was in Brisbane asking to come and say hello in person and being told "don't call us we'll call you" makes me think so.
Man Bilong Balus long PNG
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From: Back home again after another fantastic time in Japan; once again back to the 'real world' and continuing the seemingly never ending search for a bad bottle of Red.
As you get older and gain wisdom from life, you gain more respect for yourself and tolerate a little less idiots that you come across, and your spine becomes a bit more hardened for you to stand up for yourself against such types. 'Why Panic' is a good demonstration of this.
* Yeah I know, Griffo and others; I'm still a young bugger!!!
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From: nosar
Reply to Why Panic
Firstly, I don't appreciate being called "Some old geeza", pretty rude I thought. 61 hardly puts you in a retirement home. Maybe you'd like to meet up some time and see how old and feeble I am, please PM me if you're interested.
In this politically correct time, it is incredibly rare to get a reason for not getting a job and I suspect that Jetgo will never again tell someone they are too old even if it is the truth (in their minds). In the distant past I was told I was too heavy for a seaplane job flying a Maule, it can hurt.
On another thread somone was lambasting a skydive company for having the temerity to advertise for a pilot under 80kg. In my mind it was the mark of a good skydive operator. Calling a spade a spade is not wrong.
The sad part is that with your experience, finding a job is difficult. Makes me thing the industry is doomed. I wish you well in your endeavors.
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From: nowhere
Aussie Bob,
Somehow I don't think you understand the situation here. You're confusing operators imposing a weight limit for what sounds like very limited payload reasons with blatant discrimination based on age and say that's calling a spade a spade!!
Somehow I don't think you understand the situation here. You're confusing operators imposing a weight limit for what sounds like very limited payload reasons with blatant discrimination based on age and say that's calling a spade a spade!!
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From: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀
Put it this way, are you happier walking past the door and seeing a grey headed dude with 4 bars on his shoulders exuding 20000 hours sitting in the left seat doing a pre-flight, or some 27 year old with more product in his hair than the CC combined, wearing mirror raybans and chatting up the CM?
When I'm in the cabin give me hours over youth any time. I'd be happier to fly with Bob Hoover than most pilots I know, put it that way.
When I'm in the cabin give me hours over youth any time. I'd be happier to fly with Bob Hoover than most pilots I know, put it that way.
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