Channel 7 Sunday Night Program About VH-MDX
Regardless of difficulty or cost - Is it time to bring VH-MDX home?
According to one transcript the pilot of the Cessna 210 reported failure of the engine driven vacuum pump. If that was so, then within one minute the pilot would quickly lose control caused by worsening erroneous attitude information. On the other hand, if he was not an experienced IFR pilot and saw what he perceived both artificial horizons apparently failing, but which actually was loss of control due to poor instrument flying ability, then he may have mistakenly diagnosed vacuum pump failure. Even an experienced instrument rated pilot flying on limited panel in cloud (few pilots are that good) would need all his skill and attention to have to rely on the electrically powered turn coordinator in association with the magnetic compass. Throw in erroneous attitude information, turbulence and thick cloud and his chances of getting out of that alive would be zero.
There is no "Devil's Triangle" in that area. That is nothing more than a journalistic dramatic beat up. Nothing is to be gained by re-visiting the search area. Quite the opposite in fact. There would be a real risk to life and limb of those hardy and well meaning volunteers who would willingly spend their time trying to locate long since deeply hidden wreckage in impossible country.
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Throw in erroneous attitude information, turbulence and thick cloud and his chances of getting out of that alive would be zero.
There is no "Devil's Triangle" in that area. That is nothing more than a journalistic dramatic beat up. Nothing is to be gained by re-visiting the search area. Quite the opposite in fact. There would be a real risk to life and limb of those hardy and well meaning volunteers who would willingly spend their time trying to locate long since deeply hidden wreckage in impossible country.
There is much relevance to revisiting the search area. Plenty of us have done so and are continuing to. Perhaps ask the families of the missing occupants if they see there is nothing to be gained.
Yes the area is not without it's risk, but much of this can be mitigated with adequate precautions.
Quite surprised you'd take this position Centaurus. If people want to keep looking for it, really, what is the problem?
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Yes the area is not without it's risk, but much of this can be mitigated with adequate precautions.
Difficult to say this as it is obviously an emotional subject to those still involved one way or another. But the fact remains 21 unfortunates are dead due to various pilots failing to take adequate precautions. That being so, where is the certainty any new searchers will mitigate the risk with adequate precautions? 33 years is a long time to be holding the candle and a line must eventually be drawn somewhere.
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On weekends at WLM R578A-E are notam'd active, from memory they are RA2 (possibly incorrect here), and active from 0600-2200 local, up to FL125. It is Monday-Friday that the remainder are generally notam'd as active.
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typical without putting them all in.
C850/14
R578A ACT
MAY BE DEACTIVATED AT SHORT NOTICE.
PILOT RESPONSIBILITY TO CK CURRENT STS WITH ATS.
5000FT AMSL TO FL125
FROM 07 202000 TO 07 271200
DAILY 2000/1200
C850/14
R578A ACT
MAY BE DEACTIVATED AT SHORT NOTICE.
PILOT RESPONSIBILITY TO CK CURRENT STS WITH ATS.
5000FT AMSL TO FL125
FROM 07 202000 TO 07 271200
DAILY 2000/1200
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No one did anything. We are just as mystified as you why the last page and a number of posts disappeared for a couple of days.
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No one did anything. We are just as mystified as you why the last page and a number of posts disappeared for a couple of days.
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There is no "Devil's Triangle" in that area. That is nothing more than a journalistic dramatic beat up. Nothing is to be gained by re-visiting the search area. Quite the opposite in fact. There would be a real risk to life and limb of those hardy and well meaning volunteers who would willingly spend their time trying to locate long since deeply hidden wreckage in impossible country.
The search area planning has, I believe, pretty much narrowed it down to a couple of 5Km x 5Km blocks, but what 25Km2 blocks they are ! I've been on a couple of ground searches, one of which the team was in / ex by winching from POLAIR helo, and the terrain and vegetation was limiting. Adjacent to these areas are very different areas there with 40degree plus slopes and double+ canopy rainforest where foot searches are impossible without technical means, and I suggest MDX would be in one of these.
Eventually the wreck and remains will be found, but I suggest it will by remote imaging technology, probably military, that will sniff it out of the years of vegetation growth rather than foot searches.
The same applies to the far more forgotten A34-47, missing out the back of Warragamba Dam less than 50Nm from YSSY with two RAAF and three USMC on board. https://www.ozatwar.com/ozcrashes/nsw178.htm This one has a very linear search area under what was probably a big birdstrike that bowled them middle stump on the first ball.
One of these days I'm going to walk/rappel/climb a compass bearing right through the middle of these search areas and who knows !
That is unfortunately correct, although people should still continue ground searches because it is good headbanging fun and there is always the chance of good fortune showing you a brief glimpse of folded metal in the undergrowth.
The search area planning has, I believe, pretty much narrowed it down to a couple of 5Km x 5Km blocks, but what 25Km2 blocks they are ! I've been on a couple of ground searches, one of which the team was in / ex by winching from POLAIR helo, and the terrain and vegetation was limiting. Adjacent to these areas are very different areas there with 40degree plus slopes and double+ canopy rainforest where foot searches are impossible without technical means, and I suggest MDX would be in one of these.
The search area planning has, I believe, pretty much narrowed it down to a couple of 5Km x 5Km blocks, but what 25Km2 blocks they are ! I've been on a couple of ground searches, one of which the team was in / ex by winching from POLAIR helo, and the terrain and vegetation was limiting. Adjacent to these areas are very different areas there with 40degree plus slopes and double+ canopy rainforest where foot searches are impossible without technical means, and I suggest MDX would be in one of these.
KR, sorry about the delay, I need to keep up my 0.01 posts per day average.
Yes, it's mostly a solid tree canopy with underbrush that would be higher than any wreckage, which by now would be weathered and very indistinct. Also there are plenty of thicker double canopy areas.
Unless someone gets lucky, and it's worth trying, this thing will be found by non-visible spectrum electronic imaging and the consequent ground search of likely targets will walk onto some barely recognisable C210 bits in the undergrowth.
Or, some lucky bushwalkers will notice something sticking out of a creek next week.
Yes, it's mostly a solid tree canopy with underbrush that would be higher than any wreckage, which by now would be weathered and very indistinct. Also there are plenty of thicker double canopy areas.
Unless someone gets lucky, and it's worth trying, this thing will be found by non-visible spectrum electronic imaging and the consequent ground search of likely targets will walk onto some barely recognisable C210 bits in the undergrowth.
Or, some lucky bushwalkers will notice something sticking out of a creek next week.
