MERGED: Free Spirit Airlines again...got a spare $147,000 plus?
Rumour I heard the other day is that they didn't get "knocked back" from QLink, but that the someone has put their foot down because they allegedly keep smashing the tail of the Q400 onto the runway when trying to land.
Hard to break a plane before you are in the company 
I'm not crying poor for them, they went through a recruitment process and they and a lot (all?) of the other applicants with similar low experience got knocked back. I too heard it was due to the poor performance of other low time trainees. Not necessarily QF Mainline cadets though.
I'm not crying poor for them, they went through a recruitment process and they and a lot (all?) of the other applicants with similar low experience got knocked back. I too heard it was due to the poor performance of other low time trainees. Not necessarily QF Mainline cadets though.
Sorry for the thread drift guys, but FN, you need to realise that if Qantas is on it's deathbed, so is Jetstar. If you think that cadets in Jetstar are immune from the Qantas GROUP problems you need to a good re- think. If the group falls over they will have a very difficult time getting re-employed.
As for forking out over $100,000 for a cadetship in a new company in this climate!
As for forking out over $100,000 for a cadetship in a new company in this climate!
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I usually don't bother to comment on other peoples rants and raves, however, in Flyboat North's case I'm more than happy to make an exception.
Flyboat North....you do write some very good pieces. They are well constructed, and in many ways certainly are convincing. I'm assuming you didn't make it as a pilot...so I would certainly suggest sales. Realistically, you could probably make more money than myself and most of the other jet drivers in this country!!
What does irk me, however, is the damage that your gifted writing and embellished figures can have on pilots that are in GA with dreams of flying for the big boys.
I'm not a QF cadet; I'm not sure I was smart enough to be one
However, since 2007 I have managed to climb from C172's instructing, and 210's and 402's out bush, to multi-crew turboprop operations and for the past 2 and a half years, jet operations. Next month I have an interview overseas to fly an even bigger one. Not the quickest GA to jet run, but a fun one.
I climbed this slippery greasy pole without backstabbing, without family connections and without money for cadetships etc. And I also did it in the face of numerous naysayers and anonymous posters like yourself. There are many opportunities for people who are in GA to fly with the big lads. I know many of them....we all started together. None of them were cadets. The only thing you really need is a drive to continue to push for what you want. It will happen eventually....as long as you don't give up.
Flyboat North....your post's make young GA guys feel like it can't happen. And mate, that's not fair.
As for your embellished facts.
J* - check the pay for a CADET frozen ATPL - from my knowledge it is much lower than the 100k you quoted.
Virgin - they have NOT dissolved the hold file. It's still there, I know 3 guys that are on it.
Virgin (again) - you mentioned that they havn't hired for 2.5years. Check again. I used to work with a guy who started with them just over a year ago.
FIFO and "secondary RPT" (whatever that is). - Not just a trickle.
Alliance - quite a few
Cobham 146 and 717's - lots and lots
Network - quite a few
Tiger - about 50 recently with more to come (more than happy for my mates at Tiger to correct me).
Plus......runners like me looking overseas, therefore opening up positions in Oz.
There is plenty of opportunity out there. But there is also plenty of people who decided not to travel the hard road from GA to the big boys.
Many of those pilots are happy where they are, but some others like Flyboat North are disgruntled try to drag down others.
So to the fellows in GA looking at the big jets, ignore people like him.
Focus on your careers, keep your ear to the ground for opportunities and keep pushing. You will get there. All roads lead to Rome...if you happen to be on a longer road then so be it. Enjoy the scenery and then enjoy Rome when you get there.
Eternity.
I usually don't bother to comment on other peoples rants and raves, however, in Flyboat North's case I'm more than happy to make an exception.
Flyboat North....you do write some very good pieces. They are well constructed, and in many ways certainly are convincing. I'm assuming you didn't make it as a pilot...so I would certainly suggest sales. Realistically, you could probably make more money than myself and most of the other jet drivers in this country!!
What does irk me, however, is the damage that your gifted writing and embellished figures can have on pilots that are in GA with dreams of flying for the big boys.
I'm not a QF cadet; I'm not sure I was smart enough to be one
However, since 2007 I have managed to climb from C172's instructing, and 210's and 402's out bush, to multi-crew turboprop operations and for the past 2 and a half years, jet operations. Next month I have an interview overseas to fly an even bigger one. Not the quickest GA to jet run, but a fun one.
I climbed this slippery greasy pole without backstabbing, without family connections and without money for cadetships etc. And I also did it in the face of numerous naysayers and anonymous posters like yourself. There are many opportunities for people who are in GA to fly with the big lads. I know many of them....we all started together. None of them were cadets. The only thing you really need is a drive to continue to push for what you want. It will happen eventually....as long as you don't give up.
Flyboat North....your post's make young GA guys feel like it can't happen. And mate, that's not fair.
As for your embellished facts.
J* - check the pay for a CADET frozen ATPL - from my knowledge it is much lower than the 100k you quoted.
Virgin - they have NOT dissolved the hold file. It's still there, I know 3 guys that are on it.
Virgin (again) - you mentioned that they havn't hired for 2.5years. Check again. I used to work with a guy who started with them just over a year ago.
FIFO and "secondary RPT" (whatever that is). - Not just a trickle.
Alliance - quite a few
Cobham 146 and 717's - lots and lots
Network - quite a few
Tiger - about 50 recently with more to come (more than happy for my mates at Tiger to correct me).
Plus......runners like me looking overseas, therefore opening up positions in Oz.
There is plenty of opportunity out there. But there is also plenty of people who decided not to travel the hard road from GA to the big boys.
Many of those pilots are happy where they are, but some others like Flyboat North are disgruntled try to drag down others.
So to the fellows in GA looking at the big jets, ignore people like him.
Focus on your careers, keep your ear to the ground for opportunities and keep pushing. You will get there. All roads lead to Rome...if you happen to be on a longer road then so be it. Enjoy the scenery and then enjoy Rome when you get there.
Eternity.
FBN is not now and never will be a pilot. Hangs out on pprune to spout the joys of the j* cadetship that is all.
Nice post eternity. I agree with it.
As for free spirit it's a joke/hoax.
Cheers,
Greaser.
Nice post eternity. I agree with it.
As for free spirit it's a joke/hoax.
Cheers,
Greaser.
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Just another GA Astronaut really telling tall stories.
Really we should make an Australian Story Episode about you Et , weren't smart enough for the QF cadetship, no family help , surrounded by naysayers , yet you the little Aussie bleeder triumphs above all and make it. My eyes are just misting up.
You make it all the way from 172's to jets in starting in 2007 , jets by the end of 2011, all through a GFC. Now the big boys from OS are calling for you. Well aren't you just the GA Rock Star.
Get Goddam Serious
Really we should make an Australian Story Episode about you Et , weren't smart enough for the QF cadetship, no family help , surrounded by naysayers , yet you the little Aussie bleeder triumphs above all and make it. My eyes are just misting up.
You make it all the way from 172's to jets in starting in 2007 , jets by the end of 2011, all through a GFC. Now the big boys from OS are calling for you. Well aren't you just the GA Rock Star.
Get Goddam Serious
It's quite clear FBN really has little to do with real world aviation, so anyone who read's his advice should think seriously about whether or not to use it.
Cadet astronauts more like it.
morno
Cadet astronauts more like it.
morno
As has been posted before, FBN has no credibility.
If he is not one of the Jetstar 'astronauts', does he have something to financially gain from their existence?
I would really like to know what his/her motive is for talking up the Jetstar cadetship and insulting all who are in GA (even turboprop regionals).
If he is not one of the Jetstar 'astronauts', does he have something to financially gain from their existence?
If he is not one of the Jetstar 'astronauts', does he have something to financially gain from their existence?
FBN - 72 posts, over 95% of theses post are on cadetships, well over 50% alone on the Jetstar cadetship. Certainly nothing in his/her posts to show any real world actual aviation experience or knowledge.
Reading some of the 5% of posts that do not directly refer to a cadetship, FBN flies for business, apparently has a CPL, if you can believe what's posted. Was looking around to do an MECIR, even asked about opportunities of doing this in NZ. Of course all of these posts could just be fishing exercises, which seems likely as when FBN starts a thread with a Q asking for info, FBN almost never comes back to reply to that thread.
FBN did you ever get that CIR done?
Someone mentioned they "know him" from YMMB. So those of you there get hunting for a bloke with a massive chip on their shoulder. Possibly wearing a Jetstar uniform to fire up his C172
Bloke 3000: As per the conditions of the +1/-1 rating system, a poster may not self rate.
As a result, PeterC is now disqualified with -1 status.
As a result, PeterC is now disqualified with -1 status.
Could PeterC and FBN be alter egos?
One of the problems with FBN is he/she posts very one sided support of certain cadetships and is very disparaging of the GA route to the airlines, and when someone posts their own experience of moving through GA to the airlines he/she basically calls them liars.
He/she doesn't appear to speak with any practical experience yet slams those that do. Very bad form.
He/she doesn't appear to speak with any practical experience yet slams those that do. Very bad form.
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Well this is an anonymous internet bulletin board , and it is common knowledge that people tell stories on BB all the time.
Because somebody posts something anonymously on the internet , I don't have to believe it, I am allowed to think they have made it all up.
Eternity's own words:
However, since 2007 I have managed to climb from C172's instructing, and 210's and 402's out bush, to multi-crew turboprop operations and for the past 2 and a half years, jet operations. Next month I have an interview overseas to fly an even bigger one
Bing Gordons own words:
For the record, I spent 5 years in GA before joining the airlines. I now fly a 737 for a big Australian airline and have done so successfully for several years. I have two degrees, one is a Master's. I am soon going back to GA for lifestyle and job satisfaction. I am 5 years younger than you. Explain that!
Really just boasting and big noting, and I don't believe a single word of what these two people say. Actually offered Bing a $100 bet - he initially took it , sent an aggressive PM then disappeared.
The first "CV" is even more implausible "GA 172 to Jets in 4.5 years" with a GFC right in the middle - yes sure you did.
Then again Bing really tells quite a whoppa as well, "Big" airline for "several" years , got to narrow body jets at the age of 25 , yes sure you did.
Really notice the emphasis on the word "Big" in their self styled CVs - you guys are just so "Big" "Time"
You guys really just need to get your hand off it.
We want to talk about reality not your own personal fantasies.
Because somebody posts something anonymously on the internet , I don't have to believe it, I am allowed to think they have made it all up.
Eternity's own words:
However, since 2007 I have managed to climb from C172's instructing, and 210's and 402's out bush, to multi-crew turboprop operations and for the past 2 and a half years, jet operations. Next month I have an interview overseas to fly an even bigger one
Bing Gordons own words:
For the record, I spent 5 years in GA before joining the airlines. I now fly a 737 for a big Australian airline and have done so successfully for several years. I have two degrees, one is a Master's. I am soon going back to GA for lifestyle and job satisfaction. I am 5 years younger than you. Explain that!
Really just boasting and big noting, and I don't believe a single word of what these two people say. Actually offered Bing a $100 bet - he initially took it , sent an aggressive PM then disappeared.
The first "CV" is even more implausible "GA 172 to Jets in 4.5 years" with a GFC right in the middle - yes sure you did.
Then again Bing really tells quite a whoppa as well, "Big" airline for "several" years , got to narrow body jets at the age of 25 , yes sure you did.
Really notice the emphasis on the word "Big" in their self styled CVs - you guys are just so "Big" "Time"
You guys really just need to get your hand off it.
We want to talk about reality not your own personal fantasies.
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