When noise complaints turn nasty.
Thirdly, some people below a certain age I doubt would
know what it is.
know what it is.
Kids get a VERY good taste of WW2 history from many angles.
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I think cowl flaps (#54) is probably on the right track. I live locally and worked at Tyagarah for 10 years, mostly flying DH82, C172 and microlights, but also some para ops in their old C182.
The noise complaints were constant, and the source of the problem was usually training ops from Cooly, but Tyagarah always got blamed.
The parachute operation there tries to minimise noise impact where possible, but are often required to climb over land, and some pilots are not as thoughtful as others about their impact on locals. When they are busy, which is most of the summer, ops are often early am to dusk, 7 days/week with a turnaround time of 20-30 mins, so I can understand it will be annoying to some locals, but I can confirm that all the serious complainants over the years have been recent arrivals who bought near the strip and then got upset. At one point a very well off one offered to pay the Council the equivalent of the revenue the strip was generating if they would close it!!
On the other hand, the parachute operation has become very big and there is a lot of money being made, and it is evident that this often takes precedence over other issues.
It is not an all weather strip and at times the Council closes it due to rain. The jump plane usually continues to operate with the result that the strip becomes unusable to other operators due to the huge ruts created, and this has caused damage to other aircraft. This cavalier attitude reached a point last year when the strip was closed while Council workers were filling ruts caused by the skydive aircraft. There were a number of workers and a truck in the middle of the strip about 200-300 metres in from the eastern end. All operators had been informed about it, but the 208 taxied out past the large "Strip Closed" sign and took off over the workers. Everyone at Tyagarah realises that we need to work with Council to keep the strip open and maintained, this sort of behaviour doesn't help.
(Apologies for thread creep).
Update, just informed by a reliable source at Tyagarah that the tanks have been temporarily patched and the aircarft flown out for repairs.
The noise complaints were constant, and the source of the problem was usually training ops from Cooly, but Tyagarah always got blamed.
The parachute operation there tries to minimise noise impact where possible, but are often required to climb over land, and some pilots are not as thoughtful as others about their impact on locals. When they are busy, which is most of the summer, ops are often early am to dusk, 7 days/week with a turnaround time of 20-30 mins, so I can understand it will be annoying to some locals, but I can confirm that all the serious complainants over the years have been recent arrivals who bought near the strip and then got upset. At one point a very well off one offered to pay the Council the equivalent of the revenue the strip was generating if they would close it!!
On the other hand, the parachute operation has become very big and there is a lot of money being made, and it is evident that this often takes precedence over other issues.
It is not an all weather strip and at times the Council closes it due to rain. The jump plane usually continues to operate with the result that the strip becomes unusable to other operators due to the huge ruts created, and this has caused damage to other aircraft. This cavalier attitude reached a point last year when the strip was closed while Council workers were filling ruts caused by the skydive aircraft. There were a number of workers and a truck in the middle of the strip about 200-300 metres in from the eastern end. All operators had been informed about it, but the 208 taxied out past the large "Strip Closed" sign and took off over the workers. Everyone at Tyagarah realises that we need to work with Council to keep the strip open and maintained, this sort of behaviour doesn't help.
(Apologies for thread creep).
Update, just informed by a reliable source at Tyagarah that the tanks have been temporarily patched and the aircarft flown out for repairs.
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Good to hear from a local perspective there scrufflefish. There are certain elements of cowboy'ism being displayed there from what you have described, so perhaps the locals do have something to whinge about. My inlaws live near 10nm from a drop zone and if you're in the garden or the shed you can constantly hear a couple of parachuting aircraft operating so I can imagine it might get a bit tiring if you lived closer. I would be p.i.s.s.e.d if I bought a place 5 miles from an airport and the air traffic doubled in the years following. Many of us go to our airports on the weekend, go off flying, come back and go home again so don't really experience it from a locals perspective. (not suggesting that this was deserved of course)
Does this aircraft do the round to other drop zones? I'm pretty sure that I saw it being "hot fuelled" on a number of occasions
Does this aircraft do the round to other drop zones? I'm pretty sure that I saw it being "hot fuelled" on a number of occasions
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It has done the rounds, got a few hours in it! If you buy near an airport and the traffic doubles, still your problem 
Hot refuelling is in the ops manual, is legal & perfectly acceptable in this operation.
Hot refuelling is in the ops manual, is legal & perfectly acceptable in this operation.
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"I would be p.i.s.s.e.d if I bought a place 5 miles from an airport and the air traffic doubled in the years following."
Come on, that's the same argument those NIMBY wankers in Sunbury and Western Suburbs of Melbourne have been using re complaining re the number of flights from Tulla and the building of the new runway.
They knew the airport was there before they purchased.
"I would be p.i.s.s.e.d if I bought a place 5 miles from an airport and the air traffic doubled in the years following."
Come on, that's the same argument those NIMBY wankers in Sunbury and Western Suburbs of Melbourne have been using re complaining re the number of flights from Tulla and the building of the new runway.
They knew the airport was there before they purchased.
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Have seen hot fuelling on numerous occasions, I understand that the TBO of the PT6 is based on cycles as well as hours, and at 14 mins wheels off to wheels on they will run out of cycles before hours if its shut down after each sortie, hence the hot refuelling (have also seen it done as pax are loading). Carrying more fuel is not an option if you want to put 17 or 18 jumpers in it.
Years ago when I did a bit of jumping there, a crowd of fun jumpers started piling into a 208, one of whom was the owner. Someone did a head count and there were 22 jumpers on board, the owner said "She'll be right, lets go!" I was lucky enough to be out of the crush in the only passenger seat, next to the pilot, and the low fuel warning light was flashing as we taxied out..........
Years ago when I did a bit of jumping there, a crowd of fun jumpers started piling into a 208, one of whom was the owner. Someone did a head count and there were 22 jumpers on board, the owner said "She'll be right, lets go!" I was lucky enough to be out of the crush in the only passenger seat, next to the pilot, and the low fuel warning light was flashing as we taxied out..........
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"It is not an all weather strip and at times the Council closes it due to rain. The jump plane usually continues to operate with the result that the strip becomes unusable to other operators due to the huge ruts created, and this has caused damage to other aircraft"
Funny this.
When the council were going to close the strip, the company would get warning and operate out of Ballina. Over the 4 years I was associated with the company, this happened a lot.
The huge ruts? The caravans operating at Tyagarah would have large wheels, the ruts were caused by planes with much smaller wheels.
Funny this.
When the council were going to close the strip, the company would get warning and operate out of Ballina. Over the 4 years I was associated with the company, this happened a lot.
The huge ruts? The caravans operating at Tyagarah would have large wheels, the ruts were caused by planes with much smaller wheels.
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With all due respect sarge, I've flown at Tyagarah for 18 years and continue to do so, have spent a couple of years living on site and operated my Tiger there commercially for 6 years. I've been an instructor, a skydiver and charter pilot. Sometimes skydive moves their op to Ballina when its wet, and Council allowed them to take off empty to relocate even though the strip was closed, a fair compromise. They have since started abusing that privilege by taking off on a wet strip with a full load, then by just operating normally at Tyagarah when its closed, with a "Fcuk you" attitude to other users. The damage is done by the 208, fact. You don't want to hear that from me, ask any other user. I can refer you to the Gliding Club, The current DH82 operator, the helo owner, the ultralight pilots etc etc.
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I was lucky enough to be out of the crush in the only passenger seat, next to the pilot, and the low fuel warning light was flashing as we taxied out..........
As of last Sunday there was a 3-4 metre wide soft sandy patch near to the centreline about 200 metres from the 05 threshold.
A place deserving of a close look first. Generally speaking.
A place deserving of a close look first. Generally speaking.
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"They have since started abusing that privilege by taking off on a wet strip with a full load, then by just operating normally at Tyagarah when its closed, with a "Fcuk you" attitude to other users."
Sad to hear. A pity, as it didn't used to be that way. Left a couple of years ago so sounds like things have gone downhill.
Sad to hear. A pity, as it didn't used to be that way. Left a couple of years ago so sounds like things have gone downhill.
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MakeItHappenCaptain, yes, I wasn't worried once the pilot pointed that out, and anyway I had one more parachute than he did!
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A large % of our society sleeps during the day, and needs to have their requirements of modest noise levels observed.
I've worked night shifts many times while living with neighbours who seemed to enjoy loud music, loud cars and loud arguments. And I got through it, without feeling the need to run off to the council or the body corporate to complain. Why? Because I'm the one sleeping at different times to everyone else and they were there first, so I've no right to complain.
Sounds to me like the residents surrounding Tyagarah need to swallow a shovelful of cement and harden the f*** up.
We never seem to see people who buy houses next to railway lines campaign for their closure. Or freeways. Or industrial complexes. Its only airports that seem to be whipping boys. This is probably aided by developers who see profit in subdividing airports, but at some point we just need to toughen up and be less apologetic.
At my home airport one of the main complainants lives next door to a cement plant and the other backs onto the railway line. And they complain about aircraft noise!
At my home airport one of the main complainants lives next door to a cement plant and the other backs onto the railway line. And they complain about aircraft noise!
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I think a lot of the people who complain about aircraft noise has underlying personal issues.
It's not just airports, the same type of people also complain about things like wind farms. They ignore the fact that years of research found that wind farms do not lead to health issues, instead they blame wind farms as the reason why their lives are unhappy.
Maybe it's worse around Byron Bay, where there is more of a drug culture and the associated psychosis.
It's not just airports, the same type of people also complain about things like wind farms. They ignore the fact that years of research found that wind farms do not lead to health issues, instead they blame wind farms as the reason why their lives are unhappy.
Maybe it's worse around Byron Bay, where there is more of a drug culture and the associated psychosis.