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The Empire Strikes Back! on Colour Defective Pilots

Old 20th Sep 2016, 10:15
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I'm a little suspicious of recent blow-ins who claim to know about the regulatory treatment of CVD but no knowledge of recent regulatory developments.

Men in Black: Why would ihavealotofquestions have been "asked to do the Ishihara test" if "pass[ing] the light gun test" was sufficient to meet the Class 1 standard?
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 01:59
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
I'm a little suspicious of recent blow-ins who claim to know about the regulatory treatment of CVD but no knowledge of recent regulatory developments.

Men in Black: Why would ihavealotofquestions have been "asked to do the Ishihara test" if "pass[ing] the light gun test" was sufficient to meet the Class 1 standard?

The Ishihara test is now just part of the new online medical debacle! All renewals now require this for whatever reason.
As Ihavelotsofquestions holds an unrestricted ATPL and passed the 3rd stage testing he or she is not required to do further testing. He or she demonstrated the required standard required at that period for the ATPL.

Ihavelotsofquestions, please let us know when you receive your renewal.

I am well aware of the recent changes and discrimination placed on new applicants for class one medicals.

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Old 21st Sep 2016, 07:54
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CASA want to have your Ishihara Score in the new system. If you have had your restrictions lifted they will remain so
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 10:24
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Gosh.

So CASA has quietly retreated from culling existing Class 1 holders with CVD, and is now just picking off the new applicants?

No announcement from the CVDPA that CASA is not going to impose any conditions on existing Class 1 holders with CVD?

I'm not buying it.
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 23:33
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What version of the Ishihara plates are they using?

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Old 24th Sep 2016, 00:27
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6QuYiY1EJg

Glasses that fix 80% of CVD people.

Are they are acceptable to CASA.
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Old 24th Sep 2016, 21:52
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No, unfortunately not. Lenses that correct a colour defect for red/ greed modify the perception for other colours. Thats the excuse and they're sticking to it. Having said that the argument doesn't stack up really when you consider that the wearing of corrective lenses for distance or reading comes at the expense of near vision or peripheral vision.

After nearly 30 years of flying I haven't once had reason to work out which way an aircraft is heading by reference to its wing lights. Its all about the PAPI, if there was no such beast we would be further down the track. It would be an interesting stat to find out how many PAPI related incidents have occurred worldwide and break them down into two groups, "colour normals" Vs "colour defectives".

We know the outcome of course they would say there are no colour defectives so therefore no colour defective stats. What we really need is funding for research into what that stat would look like if there were the same amount of colour defectives. At the end of the day it looks like the employers are taking the initiative of culling out the defectives and as such the future "difficult to see it is"!

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Old 28th Sep 2016, 21:33
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I did my class 1 renewal two weeks back and had four fails with the colour charts....

I still have a copy of my Farnsworth Lantern test from 25 years ago which I forwarded to CASA with my online renewal.

CASA issued class 1 renewal a week later with no restrictions!
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Old 28th Sep 2016, 21:34
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Do I now have to complete the Ishihara tests with every renewal in the future??
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Old 3rd Oct 2016, 07:27
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I did my class 1 renewal two weeks back and had four fails with the colour charts....

I still have a copy of my Farnsworth Lantern test from 25 years ago which I forwarded to CASA with my online renewal.

CASA issued class 1 renewal a week later with no restrictions!
That explains a lot.

The recent return to the dark ages by AVMED impacts on the people who fails both the Ishihara and Farnsworth Lantern tests.

But you're OK, Aileron Roll, so whatever you do, don't join or donate to the CVDPA or agitate for AVMED reform. AVMED will never come after you to confirm that your 25 year old FL test is valid.
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Old 1st Jan 2017, 03:27
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Hi guys, I'm about to front for a class one. I have no restrictions on my current class one however I did pas the papi test (modified Farnsworth) at the Melbourne school of optometry back in the 90's. That test is no longer offered as I understand it. Has anyone else done the medical with this issue, I would love to hear how it went, did they ask you to do the CAD??

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Old 1st Jan 2017, 06:50
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That brings back memories Soup Nazi. I did the same thing in the mid-90's from Brisbane with a short notice return airfare of about $700 - a lot of money 20 years ago.

The appointment was for 2.00 p.m. Not wanting to miss this opportunity to enjoy a sunny day in Melbourne, I lunched too well at a fine Pizza joint in Lygon St Carlton, on the walk up to the School of Optometry. It was that place with the Formula 1 Ferrari theme but I can't remember the name. I had also driven a taxi in Brisbane the night before, and so had not had enough sleep.

Anyhow, one large pizza and only 2 beers later(I swear), I was ready for this modified Farnsworth thingy, thinking that such an indulgence shouldn't affect how colour blind I was.

I failed unfortunately. Even though I tried to memorise the answers, I was pretty sleepy and in no shape to do this.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 06:05
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I just did my renewal, 1st time on the new system and I wasn't asked to do the Ishihara plates.

Go figure??

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 11:02
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I think it comes down to the DAME, some just tick pass because they think well you held and medical in the past so why would it be any different.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 12:00
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Maybe I dodged a bullet????
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 22:13
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Yep. Do not let The Empire find out.

You should have been required to not only recite the numbers in the book, but trace the wiggly lines with your finger. The latter has been introduced to trap the lying, cheating, dangerous criminals who memorise the numbers.
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Old 22nd Feb 2017, 01:13
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Is there any movement across the Tasman re: CVD? I believe the report last year made some pretty significant headway and introduced common sense into the regulatory environment (shock horror).
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