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The Empire Strikes Back! on Colour Defective Pilots

Old 16th Apr 2015, 21:16
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Gene therapy opens a new way
Gene therapy will also stop androgenic alopecia and change black people to white.

That doesn't mean someone should have to go through with it to get a restriction-free medical certificate.
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Old 20th Apr 2015, 04:31
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anything new on cvd update?

ey guys just wondering if there has been any developments on cvd situation
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Old 11th May 2015, 21:12
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It may have fallen a little silent on this thread but I know work is being done in the CVDPA on the next logical step in this fight. Any newbie who has failed the ishihara test in an Australian medical and is contemplating the next steps should contact the CVDPA before any further colour vision testing.
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Old 20th May 2015, 10:54
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CASA Response to Senate Estimates QON

For those interested, CASA's response to Senator Fawcett's QON from the February Estimates hearings was released a few days ago:



Question no.: 170
Program: n/a
Division/Agency: Civil Aviation Safety Authority Topic: AAT Decision and Colour Vision Deficiency
Proof Hansard Page: 96 (24 February 2015)

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Senator FAWCETT: Sure, I understand that. I will ask you to take this on notice as well. Since the committee last met with you in estimates, the AAT has handed down its decision in the case of Mr John O'Brien, with regard to colour vision deficiency. CASA lost that case. Mr O'Brien has been given the privileges of exercising the airline transport pilot licence on the basis that he has a safe flying history as a co-pilot and they do not anticipate any increase in risk to the travelling public or others with him exercising the privileges of being a captain. I would be interested in your answer, on notice, about how you plan to move forward with this issue, in that this is twice now that the AAT has found against the CASA position. The AAT's judgement recognises, during the very long period under Liddell and Brock and other principal medical officers within CASA, the very proactive and positive approach to enabling people to fly with appropriate individual assessments. I guess I would like you to, on notice, explain to the committee how you plan to respond to not just this judgement about Mr O'Brien as an individual but also the very clear statements that came out of the AAT around their concerns about the broad application of the CAD Test and the fact that, essentially, each individual should be given the opportunity to demonstrate their competence and safety, regardless of the clinical diagnosis of CVD that may be identified through various forms of testing.

Mr Skidmore: You quite correctly identified that we have only just received the response in regard to Mr O'Brien from the AAT. There is still time for us to appeal that response, and we will provide the information you requested in regard to that. But I would state that the AAT response was in regard to Mr O'Brien, and they did say it was in regard to Mr O'Brien only.

Answer:
CASA will be reviewing the implications of the individual judgement made by the Administrative Appeals Tribunal decision in relation to Mr O’Brien for its wider assessment of applicants for pilot licences with colour vision deficiency (CVD).

CASA notes the need for consistency in the safety assessment of pilot licence applications while recognising the different individual circumstances of each applicant with CVD and its potentially variable impact on their operating performance.
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Old 21st May 2015, 09:06
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Old 22nd May 2015, 15:15
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Can I fly in AUS?

FAA PPL, no restrictions, passed tower light test, have LOE (FAA Letter Of Evidence stating all restrictions removed despite Ishihara test failure, does not expire). Only FAA test left is OCVT (Operational Color Vision Test) which requires recognizing terrain types from an aircraft, which I need for the CPL.

So... would CASA throw a tantrum? Since I have an "alternative" profession (I grew up in Mexico, which DOES NOT let you fly with CVD, no matter what the FAA says, perhaps even because of the fact the FAA lets you fly with it) I've been considering a move to Oz in the near future, and depending on when I would get there, I would have a FAA CPL with me. Anz chances of cargo/RFD flying for me?
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Old 27th May 2015, 02:47
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Anyone had a chance to look at this:

http://enchroma.com

Says on the FAQ that haven't been authorised by regulators but if corrective glasses can be worn then I don't see why these can't.
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Old 28th May 2015, 05:13
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cvd update?

ey guys any basic update on cvd? even basic information would be ok
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Old 6th Jul 2015, 03:16
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CVDPA Announcement

CVDPA Announcement

There have been two significant meetings with the Director of CASA, Mr Mark Skidmore on the topic of the Aviation Colour Perception Standard (ACPS). The first was on June 22nd at Aviation House, Canberra, CASA headquarters. The second was in Queenstown, New Zealand where the CASA Director and his New Zealand counterpart, M Graeme Harris, met jointly with our affiliate group in New Zealand, Colour Vision Aviators (CVA) on June 29th. The CVDPA and the CVA are collaborating closely to fight the discrimination against CVD pilots, as you will see from the attached documentation.
As a result of these encounters with both directors, the CVDPA is left in no doubt that CASA’s act of total bastardry in June 2014 in its assault on CVD pilots will not be reversed in any way by the new director. Of paramount significance were the two points: (1) the CASA Director was shown a film clip of the CAD test and declared that to him the test does simulate an operational situation, and (2) the changes implemented by CASA in June 2014 were just a “clarification of the standard that was already there”. We witnessed what appeared to us to be open disdain and disregard for the AAT decisions and the rational choices of earlier principal medical officers (PMOs) that had placed Australia in a world leadership position in regard to aviation colour vision policy. We heard that the preference would be to be “fast followers” rather than “leaders”, and that the leaders would be ICAO.
The CVDPA has therefore, sadly, come to the conclusion that CASA’s claims of being a “risk based and evidence driven” regulator are mere rhetoric, and we are left with no practical alternative but to litigate in the Federal Court against the lawfulness of the CAD test. The CAD test lies at the heart of the above-said act of bastardry, and demonstrates the blind regulatory prejudice that colour vision defective pilots continue to suffer. Steps are being now taken to set the process in motion.

Documentation:

Supplementary material provided to the Director:
The reason for including the material propagated by the NZ PMO in our submission to the CASA Director is that to the CVDPA it is clear that his fingerprints are all over the changes to CASA’s implementation of the ACPS of June 2014. In that foul stroke of a pen, Australia became aligned and “harmonized” overnight with NZ policy. Note again, that the NZ PMO’s published paper was the only reference given for the CASA change of implementation.

The only material I have left out is the Case Study documentation given at the meeting in Canberra that includes the personal details of brave CVD pilots who agreed to be a part of our case presentations to CASA, detailing their names, ranks and experience as well as their CVD categories.

Finally, if anyone considers this to be a matter of interest only to pilots or potential pilots with colour vision deficiency, please think again. This matter is merely one manifestation of a broader failure of CASA to take a risk based and evidence driven approach to medical certification and aviation regulation generally. Please do not sit on the sidelines and watch other people fight the fights to try to fix problems that may well be yours one day, if not already.


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Finally, if anyone considers this to be a matter of interest only to pilots or potential pilots with colour vision deficiency, please think again. This matter is merely one manifestation of a broader failure of CASA to take a risk based and evidence driven approach to medical certification and aviation regulation generally. Please do not sit on the sidelines and watch other people fight the fights to try to fix problems that may well be yours one day, if not already.
Very well said!

Whilst I am not CVD, I take a lot of interest in this thread on how CASA is dealing with the whole lot, and how the judiciary reacts.

Today it is CVD, tomorrow..........? just look at your medical questionaire!
Yes we all know what to tick and what not to...but it should not be that way!!

The whole premise of operation is driving problems underground...sure its bad for the CASA medical team, being lied to, but its also driving people to give no answers that a normal GP would say, " I think we should look at that further" They are forcing people to deny problems they have, which in most cases could be easily sorted.

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Old 6th Jul 2015, 16:15
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Why are the pilot representative bodies (unions) silent on this issue? Surely there are paid up members looking to further their airline career that are affected by this, and surely that is an issue that should be looked into. Or is it only the employers who gain their attention?

And oh the irony... CASA wants to be a fast follower, not leader. Well how do they explain the ADSB rollout. And only a week or two back Skidmore was telling us Part 61 would be praised and followed by other nations.

Seems to me it is fine to be a leader when it suits, and when not, duck and hide.

At some point, as a group, pilots need to say enough is enough with the rubbish we are being forced to absorb! Not just GA, but all pilots.
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 05:28
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To CAD or not to CAD?

So I have an FAA (H)PPL, failed ishihara and passed control tower signal light.
I want to commence CPL here in Australia and failed FALANT.
Do I pay for the pointless CAD test which I have a chance of passing (my deficiency is very mild deutan) or do I wait a while.

I even asked them to issue the licence with restrictions with a view to see what happens or take the test at a later date so I could get the medical and commence flight training but they refused.
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 10:47
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Great first post!

My advice is to just relax and wait until someone else has fought the fight for you. Could take a few years and burn some people's treasure and blood, so best not to get involved.
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Old 11th Jul 2015, 02:42
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The Empire Strikes Back! on Colour Defective Pilots

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Old 11th Jul 2015, 08:03
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And CASA issues the pieces of paper and knows that most people in the aviation community don't have the necessary mixture of courage, time and money to have a fight.

So pmf1977 needs either to gather up the necessary mixture of courage, time and money to have a fight, or cop whatever CASA cares to do to him until others can do so. It's that simple.
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Old 13th Jul 2015, 23:32
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Pmf1977,

If you passed the Australian tower light signal test then you passed the colour vision testing at the time when it was accepted. Many did and are flying commercially. Was it the FAA test light test you passed?
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 21:07
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I did my PPL in Florida, failed the ishihara and had to do a tower light signal test in the states to get a night flying restriction removed from my licence.

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Old 2nd Aug 2015, 13:22
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The Empire Strikes Back! on Colour Defective Pilots

Apologies if it has already been covered, has anyone had anything to do with the Enchroma glasses?

I realize that you can't be certified from their use, but I'm curious as to whether anyone has worn a pair of the glasses, and whether there is a difference.
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Old 3rd Aug 2015, 04:53
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Glasses.

QFBUSBOY, yeah I've tried a paid on. They are strange as they tint the whole world a magenta like colour if my memory serves me correctly. (It most likely will not). The colours of the world do change, and it does have the desired effect, ignoring the colours changing it's almost like you're wearing tinted glasses.
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Old 6th Aug 2015, 14:02
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The Empire Strikes Back! on Colour Defective Pilots

Thanks for the feedback. That's quite interesting. Hopefully it allows guys a chance to see the world abit differently to what they do now.
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