Nadi (NFFN) Localiser
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Nadi (NFFN) Localiser/SID/ADSB/ATC Q&A
Bula! I am an Approach Controller at Nadi and i am compiling data on the Localiser at Nadi Airport. If you have any data/report regarding the scalloping/abnormal movement of the localiser then i'd appreciate if you could send me details (Airline, Aircraft type, Altitude, Extent of abnormal deviation of localiser etc, time/date).
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My company operates into NAN on a regular basis.
From personal experience, no problems with the LLZ except our FMC sometimes schedules a higher than desirable speed when capturing the
LLZ after turning off the NN 204 radial and we go through the LLZ - an aircraft problem and not that of the ground installation. I'm not aware of any adverse LLZ reports from pilots within our company.
Now, a question for you on departure from NAN.
We often get given a 20 B Departure which has us intercept R332 (NN 344 radial out to Punix) after meeting some requirements however, after getting airborne and contacting Approach, we often get "on passing 2500 ft cleared direct to Punix".
Now the debate that is raging in our company is as follows:-
Opinion A: You have a new clearance and are cleared to track from that position at which you leave 2500 ft direct to Punix. This may not be on the 344 radial.
Opinion B: You are still required to track and intercept R332 (on the 344 radial) and that particular clearance only cancels the 320 degree/3000 ft reference to AL.
Now, seeing you work there, can you clarify what ATC's expectation is of our tracking if we get "on passing 2500 ft cleared direct to Punix"?
I'll further confuse things because, on some occasions after getting that clearance, we are asked to report "established on the NN 344 radial". If we are tracking from that 2500 ft point direct to Punix then we won't be on that radial until reaching Punix.
Thanks.
From personal experience, no problems with the LLZ except our FMC sometimes schedules a higher than desirable speed when capturing the
LLZ after turning off the NN 204 radial and we go through the LLZ - an aircraft problem and not that of the ground installation. I'm not aware of any adverse LLZ reports from pilots within our company.
Now, a question for you on departure from NAN.
We often get given a 20 B Departure which has us intercept R332 (NN 344 radial out to Punix) after meeting some requirements however, after getting airborne and contacting Approach, we often get "on passing 2500 ft cleared direct to Punix".
Now the debate that is raging in our company is as follows:-
Opinion A: You have a new clearance and are cleared to track from that position at which you leave 2500 ft direct to Punix. This may not be on the 344 radial.
Opinion B: You are still required to track and intercept R332 (on the 344 radial) and that particular clearance only cancels the 320 degree/3000 ft reference to AL.
Now, seeing you work there, can you clarify what ATC's expectation is of our tracking if we get "on passing 2500 ft cleared direct to Punix"?
I'll further confuse things because, on some occasions after getting that clearance, we are asked to report "established on the NN 344 radial". If we are tracking from that 2500 ft point direct to Punix then we won't be on that radial until reaching Punix.
Thanks.
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SID 20B vs plain language dep instruction
Bula Down3gr33ns,
Thanks for your reply above.
As for your question..
If i was working and i issued a SID 20B then later revised it to 'RC passing 2500ft track Dct to Intid/ Gusma' then that means
a) cancel SID
b)there's no requirement to intercept any radial (in your case R345)
c)passing 2500ft turn right and track direct to INTID/ GUSMA
In Nadi controllers hardly use the phraseology 'Cancel SID' but you'll hear ' RECLEARED'.
I'd only ask you to report on the radial if departure instruction issued was 'Maintain RwY Tck 2500ft turn right and intercept R345'. Otherwise if the reporting instruction contradicts the instruction given by the controller then you need to confirm the dep instruction asap since NFFN is non radar. All we have infront of us are strips and we rely on pilot reports to confirm/update details on our strips and the 'picture' in our mind
Hope that's clear enough
Thanks for your reply above.
As for your question..
If i was working and i issued a SID 20B then later revised it to 'RC passing 2500ft track Dct to Intid/ Gusma' then that means
a) cancel SID
b)there's no requirement to intercept any radial (in your case R345)
c)passing 2500ft turn right and track direct to INTID/ GUSMA
In Nadi controllers hardly use the phraseology 'Cancel SID' but you'll hear ' RECLEARED'.
I'd only ask you to report on the radial if departure instruction issued was 'Maintain RwY Tck 2500ft turn right and intercept R345'. Otherwise if the reporting instruction contradicts the instruction given by the controller then you need to confirm the dep instruction asap since NFFN is non radar. All we have infront of us are strips and we rely on pilot reports to confirm/update details on our strips and the 'picture' in our mind
Hope that's clear enough
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ADSB
Bula Rise Against,
ADSB should be up and running by 2015 (according to our company)
AFL is in the process of selecting 3 overseas companies for training of Air Traffic Controllers. Next stage would be Airspace Redesign/ Training.
ADSB should be up and running by 2015 (according to our company)
AFL is in the process of selecting 3 overseas companies for training of Air Traffic Controllers. Next stage would be Airspace Redesign/ Training.
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