Part61 Type/class IFR renewal
Vincent Chase, an IR renewal is still only good for 12 months. Not to be confused with a BFR at 24 months. If done in an appropriate aircraft or simulator, an IR could count as a BFR, i.e. you would get a year's use of the IR and two year's use of the aircraft, or any other aircraft that the BFR entitled you to fly.
Airline cyclic programs are a different situation. These can be tailored so that the IR never needs renewing as a separate exercise.
Airline cyclic programs are a different situation. These can be tailored so that the IR never needs renewing as a separate exercise.
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I find this intriguing. So does this mean that the aids that you're endorsed on, will now no longer appear printed on your license? Mind you, I hold two other ICAO licenses from foreign countries and they too, don't make any references to the any aids on your license. The assumption is, if you hold an instrument rating, then you are qualified to fly all types of instrument approaches.
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MECIR expired by less than a year
If for instance you have a MECIR with all the aids and it expired in September of this year. On the old system, if it has expired by less than a year, you can still do a renewal (ie do a NDB in the air and the rest in the sim). Is that still the case with part 61? I have been searching through the regs with no luck. Thanks in advance.
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1 year or 2 years
I agree
I am PPL and did 21 renewals from Class 3 to Class 1 then CIR SEA
about 6 years ago went PIFR and 20 months between renewals did same amount of prep work (about 6-10 hours) and got a tick on all the boxes.
I am now up for third review (as disstinct to a CIR renewal) and find if you get the right ATO it can be beneficial if you get the worng ATO it can be a PIA.
So YOU pick and choose who when and where..
If you can demonstrate IFR proficiency it will show in your flying.
I remember in 2005 after being overseas for 2 years doing 3 flight exams in 12 month period and came to conclussion it was unnecessary.
If you can fly on instruments and taught properly you will be OK
I dont agree with a dual test BFR/AFR and PIFR that is garbage so you make sure your ATO will write the appropriate wording in your log book
i.e. The CIR renewal also consitutes a PIFR review.
OR
The PIFR review constitutes also a BFR/AFR review.
and get him to sign it..
Or pay double whatever..
Also hope in the 2 year period that CIR recency is mandatory not suggested as it currently is in PIFR.
Suggested?
How weak is that?
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I am PPL and did 21 renewals from Class 3 to Class 1 then CIR SEA
about 6 years ago went PIFR and 20 months between renewals did same amount of prep work (about 6-10 hours) and got a tick on all the boxes.
I am now up for third review (as disstinct to a CIR renewal) and find if you get the right ATO it can be beneficial if you get the worng ATO it can be a PIA.
So YOU pick and choose who when and where..
If you can demonstrate IFR proficiency it will show in your flying.
I remember in 2005 after being overseas for 2 years doing 3 flight exams in 12 month period and came to conclussion it was unnecessary.
If you can fly on instruments and taught properly you will be OK
I dont agree with a dual test BFR/AFR and PIFR that is garbage so you make sure your ATO will write the appropriate wording in your log book
i.e. The CIR renewal also consitutes a PIFR review.
OR
The PIFR review constitutes also a BFR/AFR review.
and get him to sign it..
Or pay double whatever..
Also hope in the 2 year period that CIR recency is mandatory not suggested as it currently is in PIFR.
Suggested?
How weak is that?
2 cents
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Does anyone know if a final version for this Type Rating list has been released?
http://www.casa.gov.au/newrules/part...r61-determ.pdf
http://www.casa.gov.au/newrules/part...r61-determ.pdf
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Manymak, as far as most can tell it is still under review until the 25th Oct.
We are still waiting for parts of the MOS to be released.
Might be prior to Dec. we hope.
We are still waiting for parts of the MOS to be released.
Might be prior to Dec. we hope.
Interesting that the proposed Type Rating list includes types that can no longer be registered here, or are long gone from our skies - such as B737-100/200, B-720, Convair 340. WTF? But they forgot to include the Viscount - bugger!
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renewal reviews
CASA said at seminar last night there will be reviews and renewals
renewal and proficiency checks???
You can fail the renwal but the proficiency check can involve suggestive corrections to your errors
I have CIR expired
Subject to renewal
PIFR due subject to Review.
I am confused about how the FPAs will be translated to the 2D and 3D nAvs and all the other little joys in the list
I like the bit about a PPL becoming an instructor
Watch this space ;lol
renewal and proficiency checks???
You can fail the renwal but the proficiency check can involve suggestive corrections to your errors
I have CIR expired
Subject to renewal
PIFR due subject to Review.
I am confused about how the FPAs will be translated to the 2D and 3D nAvs and all the other little joys in the list
I like the bit about a PPL becoming an instructor
Watch this space ;lol
Apologies in advance for a lazy post...
Anyone seen anything regarding changes that may affect the ability of one to conduct a MECIR renewal in an overseas simulator?
Ta.
Anyone seen anything regarding changes that may affect the ability of one to conduct a MECIR renewal in an overseas simulator?
Ta.
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IR renewal
A proficiency check in an aircraft above 5700kg allows the IR to be used on that type only. you can do a CIR in a light twin and use it to fly a heavy jet - provided that you are current on that jet in other respects such as recency in take-off and landings. Is it still stand with the new rules anyone know? This new regulation is driving me crazy lol
Sorry to say it, but no, under the new regs your renewal in a light twin (say, Baron) wont cover you for anything that requires a type rating (including the Metros over 5700kg, B350, B1900 etc).
So, cant do a renewal in a little baby Metro and fly a big Metro, nor can you do a renewal in a B200 and fly a B350.
Make sense? Not to me. Glad I wont be the one paying for all these extra requirements Part 61 will put on industry, I just feel sorry for those that have to shell out.
Didn't someone once say that what we can do now, we can do after the new rules come out?
So, cant do a renewal in a little baby Metro and fly a big Metro, nor can you do a renewal in a B200 and fly a B350.
Make sense? Not to me. Glad I wont be the one paying for all these extra requirements Part 61 will put on industry, I just feel sorry for those that have to shell out.
Didn't someone once say that what we can do now, we can do after the new rules come out?
Re use of overseas simulators, it's all in Part 142.The process to have an overseas training facility approved by CASA is easy.
Simply obtain a copy of the facility's exposition, current simulator approval and fidelity status, the syllabus for the course you propose to complete, fill in the application and wait for the CASA quote.
Their quote will be all-inclusive of FOI review time (currently $160 an hour), visa application fees, business class travel, per diems (at the ATO maximum approved rates) and five star accommodation. Plus, you may be the beneficiary of the CASA FOI's wisdom as he observes your training and check ride.
Or, unless you seek a rating on an exotic type not supported by a local simulator, you could stay closer to home. We do have simulators in Australia that cover types that you are most likely to need for a job.
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Ridiculous
Thx Car for the info.
I'm currently 737 outside Australia. The company usually send us to Boeing Singapore for our prof check just for the sake for the recency. And I usually return to Australia for my IR renewal just to keep my license valid. What I'm thinking is if our license doesn't stated the expire date then we prob be able to continue? I don't know...
I'm currently 737 outside Australia. The company usually send us to Boeing Singapore for our prof check just for the sake for the recency. And I usually return to Australia for my IR renewal just to keep my license valid. What I'm thinking is if our license doesn't stated the expire date then we prob be able to continue? I don't know...
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